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JD 50 Manifold- Removal and Installation

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Tye

12-11-2002 05:37:23




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Ive never attempted to remove the manifold off my 50 before. What kinds of things can I expect to be taking off the tractor to get to the manifold? I looks like just about everything above the manifold has to come off just to get to the manifold. Is this a long drawn out process or can this project be done in a day or so? I am just trying to get an idea of the type of time frame I am looking at here. Thanks, you guys are the best.

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Gordon

12-11-2002 18:05:09




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 Re: JD 50 Manifold- Removal and Installation in reply to Tye, 12-11-2002 05:37:23  
The manifold will come off without takeing everything apart.Get the bolts out then slide the manifold forward.The four outside bolts are bad I had to torch some of them.Cut the heads off pry manifold up cut the bottom high.I did this if nothing else worked.



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John Van Valkenburgh

12-11-2002 16:51:47




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 Re: JD 50 Manifold- Removal and Installation in reply to Tye, 12-11-2002 05:37:23  
Tye,

I just did this about 6 weeks ago to my 50. A little time consuming but not really a difficult job. The worst part was broken manifold bolts. I found the exhaust manifold bolts that run into the head were the worst. I soaked the bolts with penetrating oil but there really isn't a way to get the oil down into the threads. They broke naturally. I then soaked the broken bolts for several days, after which I welded a nut onto the remaining bolt. It broke again even with the head. I ended up drilling out the bolt and chased the threads with a tap. Before you drill the bolt, use a punch and dimple it squarely in the middle. Much easier to drill it straight that way.

The Intake Manifold "heat" valve will probably be frozen in place. After removing the manifold you should be able to knock it out or at least break the old exhaust manifold apart around it. If nothing else you can bet a replacement part like I did.

When you remove the manifold it may break up. Try to avoid dropping pieces into the cylinder head.

I found it easier to remove the big upper radiator pipe by removing the bolts on both the head and radiator castings and then removing the whole assembly as one piece. You can remove the pipe from the castings but you will need to replace the rubber "O" rings then. Putting the pipe back into the casting with new "O" rings is a chore. In other words if the upper pipe isn't leaking at the castings I would leave them alone.

I think it's a good idea to flush the radiator at this time. I had to replace the radiator core on mine. Not much fun as the radiator core is bolted in place to the upper and lower "tanks" and there were several siezed bolts here as well. If you remove the water pump you can completely flush the radiator out both directions.

The tip Brandon made about draining out the gas tank first is a good idea. You will have to undo the choke rod at the carb and unscrew the choke knob. The rod will then slide through the hole in the gauge pedestal and come out with the hood/gas tank assy.

Its all pretty straightforward. Use or make new gaskets. Use plenty of antisieze compound. Mix new coolant with distilled water. You will need something like 7 gallons of coolant! That came as kind of a surprise to me...

Another tip. Remove the front cover first to expose the steering pedestal. Remove the steering wheel. Remove the 4 bolts that hold the steering rod worm gear casting on the steering pedestal. This casting pulls away from the steering pedestal and the steering rod pulls out of the hood. Now you can remove the hood.

If you have any questions, drop me an email.

John

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Brandon

12-11-2002 10:33:00




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 Re: JD 50 Manifold- Removal and Installation in reply to Tye, 12-11-2002 05:37:23  
You are correct, everything above the manifold has to come off. You also have to drain the radiator because the top water pipe has to come off also. One thing to watch for is breaking off the studs. I had to weld nuts on two of the studs on mine to get them out. As for time, it will definatley take you more than a day. All depends on how much time you spend on it a day. You never said why you are trying to remove the manifold. If it is because the gaskets are bad, be careful that the manifold doesn't crack. On mine I started out only going to put gaskets in it. When I took the manifold off it broke into two pieces. Something to keep in mind!! Let me know if you need any more info. Brandon

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Question for Brandon......from Tye

12-11-2002 11:13:57




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 Re: Re: JD 50 Manifold- Removal and Installation in reply to Brandon, 12-11-2002 10:33:00  
Brandon, Thanks so much for the input. The reason I am replacing the manifold is because it has a couple of holes in it. I am getting tired of dealing with backfires ,with all the air those holes let in. The bolts that hold the manifold together and to the tractor look pretty rusted. It sounds like you've done this before, so how do I go about taking those bolts out without ripping the heads off of them? I am thinking just a lot of WD-40. I guess since the radiator will be drained it might be a good time to get that cleaned as well. Anyway, thanks for the info again, I ll check back tonight and look for any response. -Tye

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Brandon

12-11-2002 14:39:58




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 50 Manifold- Removal and Installation in reply to Question for Brandon......from Tye, 12-11-2002 11:13:57  
Tye, I would try the WD-40. But if the bolts are good and stuck not even that will help. On mine, they broke about a 1/4 inch from the block. We then welded nuts onto the remaining stud and the heat from the weld helped break them loose. Be careful not to drop anything in the engine, when you take off the water pipe it will be east to drop stuff down it. Are you having troubles with the tractor overheating? If not, I would say leave the radiator alone. But if you want to have it cleaned, now would be the time to do it. I didn't bother with mine because the guy I bought it from put a new one on it. OHH one more tip for ya. Before you take this project on, run the tractor almost out of gas. The gas tank comes off with the hood and a full tank would make things heavy!! Hope this helps, let me know if you have any more questions along the way. Brandon

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Dave Wis

12-11-2002 18:09:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 50 Manifold- Removal and Installation in reply to Brandon, 12-11-2002 14:39:58  
I'm kinda curious, why take everything off? I've done several taking off only the exhaust and carb, a 530 about 2 weeks ago. The 2 intake bolts usually come out and the 4 exhaust ones usually break off. At that point lift the manifold up and out. If the broken stub is too long, prop the manifold up as high as possible, seal the ports to keep junk out, duct tape works good, cut the stubs off slightly above the head and then the manifold will come out. To remove the broken studs weld a washer to it then weld a nut to the washer around the outside let it cool and screw it out. The reason for the washer first is you can't get a good weld inside a nut. I stuff some wet rags in the ports when welding. Good luck.

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