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Going to try to start a JD 70 diesel that has not ran for 5 years

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andy

12-08-2002 17:10:27




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I bought a somewhat distressed John Deere 70 diesel 4 or 5 years ago. It ran and I drove it 4 - 5 miles to my farm. I haven't worked with it since except for draining the coolant and engine oil. I know something is wrong with it as the coolant looked more like motor oil. When the antifreeze quit draining more black goo kept stringing out of the drain plug. Oh ... another thing. When I was driving it I got little specks of a black oil like substance all over me. Maybe a bad head gasket? Anyway ... it there anything I should do before I try to fire it up for troubleshooting? Like putting some oil in the pony motor cylinders and turning it over? Putting some oil in cylinders of the big engine? Any ideas will be appreciated. Thanks andy

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Blksmok

12-09-2002 05:59:16




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 Re: Going to try to start a JD 70 diesel that has not ran for 5 years in reply to andy, 12-08-2002 17:10:27  
Andy...reviving these old 70 diesels requires two engines to be checked out instead of one. The black specks are oil droplets that are coming out of the muffler and is due to bad rings (worn or stuck) or worn/pitted cylinders. Most of these two cylinders got worked pretty hard during their life and require lots of $'s to bring the engines clearances back in spec.

On the pony engine, I would pull the plugs and squirt WD-40 into the cylinders and crank the engine w/o the plugs in place. Put in new Champion J8C plugs, add fresh gas with a little bit of Marvel Mystery Oil to the pony engine tank, new oil in the crankcase and try to get the pony engine so it will start easy and go up to high rpm w/o problems. Once the pony engine is in good running condition, then you can focus on the main diesel engine.

After filling the radiator with clear water,I would add diesel fuel to the crankcase (~2 gallons) and then "motor" the diesel engine with the pony engine in the decompression, throttle all the way back(injection pumps off) mode for several minutes. Drain the crankcase, change the oil filter and fill with new oil. Next, bleed the fuel filters and the fuel rail to make sure the pumps will have fuel when needed. Start the pony engine, motor the diesel engine for 1- 2 minutes (make sure you have oil pressure) w/o compression, bring the rpms's up on the pony engine and then give the engine full compression. It should start after only a few revolutions. I'd then run the engine for a while to bring it up to temperature, shut the engine off and drain the coolant system to check for any signs of diesel fuel (engine flush) or crankcase oil. If you have oil in the coolant then it's time to determine the source ( most likely head gasket on the pony engine, head gasket on the main engine, injection tubes or a crack in a casting (head). Next step..get the check book ready.

I have been through his process with several 70 diesels and if you need help, send me an e-mail. Good luck!!

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F-I-T

12-09-2002 05:18:16




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 Re: Going to try to start a JD 70 diesel that has not ran for 5 years in reply to andy, 12-08-2002 17:10:27  
Andy:

The black specs of oil are coming probably coming out of the muffler. If you wipe your finger in there, it is probably slimy. This generally indicates poor rings or pitted cylinders. Been there done that (re-bore and pistons). Unburnt fuel from leaky injector tips could also be a contributing factor.

The slime in the coolant could be there as a result of a leaky headgasket at the main engine or even the pony. The pony can get water in it's oil and vice versa through a bad water pump shaft or seals. The shaft is NLA from Deere, but Greg STevens has them. If one seal fails, oil in the water, if the other fails water in the oil. Ponies are $ to repair (been there done that), so be sure you have quality clean oil and pressure in that pony before you fire it up for an extended period. CLean out the oil return holes in both heads....they are very small and will gook shut easily). After sitting for a time, they tend to leak at the rear main seal, which means pulling the pony (not really a bad job).

If the pony is ready to be cranked and ran, I would drain the diesel engine crankcase, and re-fill with diesel fuel and a new filter, and then motor the main engine for sometime to wash everything out. This will do no harm, and it called out in the book as a matter of regular oil changes (in fact they run the engine for 5 minutes....really cleans things up). Then you can re-filter and re-fill and know that you have clean oil. If anything shows up then, you'll know it when it came. It's also easier to tell diesel fuel from water at that point.

I been into just about every area of both engines in the past year. They can be expensive to repair the right way.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Pat

12-08-2002 19:43:46




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 Re: Going to try to start a JD 70 diesel that has not ran for 5 years in reply to andy, 12-08-2002 17:10:27  
Hi Andy. You could have any one of three head gaskets leaking. Two in the pony engine and then the big one for the diesel. The black specks could be water entering the combustion chamber through the diesl head gasket or cracked head(shudder!). The copper sleeves in the head for the injectors could be corroded and leaking. My advice is turn the engine over and see if it has oil pressure. If it does, and it will run, check over the operation of the transmission and pto and power steering as this will help you decide the condition of the tractor so you can decide if it needs more work. Try to have a good day. BTW I have a 720D and a 730D.

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Tony M

12-08-2002 19:37:52




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 Re: Going to try to start a JD 70 diesel that has not ran for 5 years in reply to andy, 12-08-2002 17:10:27  
A blown head gasket or leaking injector tube would be my suggestions for the goo in the coolant. I'll be optomistic and hope its not a cracked head. I'd suggest you pull the valve cover and be sure all the valves are free. Should one be stuck open, you'll have a mess when the diesel turns over and the piston hits it. It also might be a good idea to pull the pump cover and be sure the racks are free, otherwise it might start and go to wide open, or not start at all. A little oil in the cylinders for initial lubrication might not be a bad idea either. Let the diesel spin a good while with the pony to get all the oil system primed again before you give it compression. Hope some of that may have helped. Good luck.

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andy

12-09-2002 21:27:47




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 Re: Re: Going to try to start a JD 70 diesel that has not ran for 5 years in reply to Tony M, 12-08-2002 19:37:52  
Thanks guys for the ideas. If I wanted to "oil" the cylinders on the big engine are there plugs I could take out to squirt some oil in? Sounds like there are three places contamination could be happening - pony heads and big engine head .. plus some tubes. I will try some of your ideas. I am sure I will be back for more advice sometime. Thanks andy



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F-I-T

12-10-2002 05:02:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Going to try to start a JD 70 diesel that has not ran for 5 years in reply to andy, 12-09-2002 21:27:47  
Andy:

There aren't any plugs you can remove to gain access to the cylinders. You could remove the injectors for access, or remove the intake a squirt some oil in there, hoping it run down into the cylinders through the valves.

I personally wouldn't worry about it. If you establish that the main engine has oil pressure, I'd just motor it for a nice long time. That will get plenty of oil up to the cylinders and wrist pins.

Frank

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