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'49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old

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RayP(MI)

11-25-2002 15:50:48




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Here she is on her maiden run. Restored by my 18 year old son Michael, as a "senior project," to fufill an outside-of-school project requirement for graduation. He also wrote an extensive term paper on the John Deere company, and will present this project and a speech to a group of judges selected from some local tractor collectors/restorers. Fortunately, she didn't require major overhaul, but did need lots of TLC on the cleanup, replacement of ignition parts, and sheet metal, as well as painting. Tomorrow the tractor goes to school for presentation in class. That's going to be a cold drive! Think he's done a very nice job. You can congratulate him at his email address: michaelp@montabella.com I grew up on a '47 B, and am thrilled to have one back in the family. This tractor origionally belonged to my wife's uncle - he passed on a few years back. She's thrilled that the tractor is still in the family. Michael, - he's having more fun than a kid ought to have! Here's to your memory Uncle Paul!

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HMan

11-26-2002 14:09:29




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 Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to RayP(MI), 11-25-2002 15:50:48  
Good job, looks like there is an A in Michael's future! HMan



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brian

11-26-2002 13:36:55




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 Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to RayP(MI), 11-25-2002 15:50:48  
I have A 39 H that i am going to restore some day
and im 12. but its good to see people like me into
these old things!



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John

11-26-2002 04:36:25




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 Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to RayP(MI), 11-25-2002 15:50:48  
Your son did a wonderful job. I'd sure like my B to look that nice.



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JRH

11-25-2002 17:51:27




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 Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to RayP(MI), 11-25-2002 15:50:48  
A restoration can and should be interpreted in many ways. If it's not broke, don't fix it. If an old tractor runs good and sounds good, but needs some touch up work, that's great. I think that this 18 year old should be very proud of what he has done.



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Randy Simmon

11-25-2002 17:04:42




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 Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to RayP(MI), 11-25-2002 15:50:48  
You did a great job on that B. You should be proud of yourself and your work. I just wish more young people would take more interest in restoring our past. Anyway, good job.



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Handsome Jim

11-25-2002 16:35:55




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 Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to RayP(MI), 11-25-2002 15:50:48  
I think your boy did a great job. Unlike Joe there, I believe alot of other folks will appriciate his efforts also. Not every "restoration" is intended to go to the EXPO or be auctioned off for 4 times it's value.HJ



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Joe

11-25-2002 17:17:09




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 Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to Handsome Jim, 11-25-2002 16:35:55  
I said he did a good job, i was just saying what i think about the word "restoration" i never ment anything bad about his B, He did a good job



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Joe

11-25-2002 16:16:54




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 Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to RayP(MI), 11-25-2002 15:50:48  
no offence, but my inpression of "restored" is going through everything, and if you dont do a complete restoration, you should at lease fix the oil leaks before painting, but he did do a good paint job. Why are there 2 extra bolts in the back wheel? i know what there for, but you shouldnt leave them in, i did that and riped a shirt on one! IM not in any way being a jerk or being rude, looks good

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dave g

11-26-2002 04:57:54




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 Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to Joe, 11-25-2002 16:16:54  
The only oil I can see leaking appears to be coming from where the engine block meets the main case. In order to properly fix this, the block needs to be removed, which involves removing the frame and completely dissasembling the engine. Not everyone has the tools, skill and time to do this, and would risk wrecking something else for a small leak. I had a B that leaked there too, and it was never enough of a problem to worry about. Just make sure the oil level is up, and have fun. I remember the tractor I restored when I was 18, and I think this kid's got one up on me, so don't pick it apart for that.

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English Professor.......

11-25-2002 20:39:18




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 Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to Joe, 11-25-2002 16:16:54  
If you are going to rip somebody one, be sure to use proper english. When you are talking about the clamp bolts, you can't even use the right word. "I know what THERE for...." I think they teach the proper use of the word "their" "there" and "they're" in about 7th grade. I think the kid did a fine job on his tractor. Not every 18 year old can afford the time or money to do what you are calling a restoration. (They are too busy in english class LOL)

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English Professor.......

11-25-2002 20:39:09




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 Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to Joe, 11-25-2002 16:16:54  
If you are going to rip somebody one, be sure to use proper english. When you are talking about the clamp bolts, you can't even use the right word. "I know what THERE for...." I think they teach the proper use of the word "their" "there" and "they're" in about 7th grade. I think the kid did a fine job on his tractor. Not every 18 year old can afford the time or money to do what you are calling a restoration. (They are too busy in english class LOL)

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Joe

11-26-2002 05:13:20




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 Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to English Professor......., 11-25-2002 20:39:09  
Did i once say that he didnt do a good job? NO, i said what the word "restore" means to me.



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RayP(MI)

11-25-2002 17:33:01




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 Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to Joe, 11-25-2002 16:16:54  
Two extra bolts in the rear wheel are tightened against the hub to loosen the collet. Once they're used a few times, the ends get blunt, and they're darn near impossible to get back out! We always left them in our old tractor, but then the hubs faced inward. Your caution about the "James Bond" effect is well taken! (In one of the old James Bond movies, there was a car with an extendable spinner on the hubcap that wreaked havoc with cars along side.) ((Ben Hur effect?))

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Keddano

11-26-2002 17:37:09




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 Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to RayP(MI), 11-25-2002 17:33:01  
Ray,what part of Michigan are you in.To letyour son really have fun go with him to a pull with it.



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RayP(MI)

11-26-2002 18:07:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to Keddano, 11-26-2002 17:37:09  
We're in central lower Michigan, 'bout half way between Muskegon and Saginaw. We had the tractor out last summer baling hay, and she'll bale right up there with the big boys. Next summer it is expected that we'll do the same... As far as pulling, it's a good tractor, but I don't think she'll stand up to the big boys there. We don't have access to transportation equipment either. Thanks for the suggestion however.

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CJDave

11-25-2002 21:01:24




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 Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to RayP(MI), 11-25-2002 17:33:01  
Wasn't some famous gal actually killed when her long scarf trailed back and was wound up in the spinner of her roadster while driving on the French Riveria? I know the MG Motor Car Company quit using the little knock-off-with-a-hammer wheel nuts in 1967 just because of that problem. They went to a giant hex nut and you used a box wrench and then hit THAT with a hammer.



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Steve - IN

11-25-2002 22:12:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to CJDave, 11-25-2002 21:01:24  
CJDave,

You're thinking of Isadora Duncan, a dancer from San Francisco who made her fame in Paris and elsewhere in Europe. I think that happened near Paris c. 1927 or '28 - and from the accounts, sounded like a fairly nasty way to go. Seems to me it was the wire wheels, not the hubs, of a Mercedes; not a Brit car. Not sure, though.

I think '68 was the year the "Undo" spinners had to go, so '67 was the last year. Federal mandate stuff when the side marker lights came, I think. Try restoring an old MG or TR when those splines are rusted on the hubs. Fun stuff indeed.

What's more important, though, is that Ray's son has seen that project through, has done a good job of it, and probably learned a lot while doing it. An admirable accomlishment for anyone of any age; even more so at 18. At least he wasn't sitting in a class learning about Isadora Duncan, Gertrude Stein, Alice B. Toklas, et cetera. My daughter is fluent in Italian, (our family is German, go figure) and is using it to write a thesis on the societal effects of the black death in Tuscany and Umbria. Fairly specialized stuff. I'm very proud of her, but wish she also had some talents a bit more like Ray's son. So in my book, Ray has good reason to be proud. I'll post my kid's thesis when she's done. Only a few hundred pages. Sure ya'll just can't wait!

Steve

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CJDave

11-26-2002 05:06:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to Steve - IN, 11-25-2002 22:12:22  
My 1967 MG "BEE" was actually the first of the hex-bolt series. It still retained the classic non-federal-mandate appearance but did have the hex "knock-offs" In '67 they introduced the hex hubs and the oil coolers. That's an interesting side note on Isadora Duncan. I've always believed that if you are a REAL playboy you should be killed in an airplane crash while piloting your private plane and if you are a real playgirl it should be something like a sports car crash. I just read a piece on the Mille Miglia, the famous Italian auto race where dashing international playboys and sons of rulers killed themselves in high speed auto crashes. Verrrrry interesting.

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Steve - IN

11-26-2002 06:40:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to CJDave, 11-26-2002 05:06:19  
CJDave,
I'll defer to your '67 B knowledge. I had a '64 B long, long ago that had the 60 spoke wires and knock offs. Had the bronze hammer to change tires as well. Fun car. Wonder why they changed to the hex, if not a Federal thing.

Wonder what the last year was for the Mille Miglia? '56 or '58 or so when Moss ran away with it? We're probably far enough off JD's now that I should shut up.

take care,

Steve

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CJDave

11-26-2002 16:07:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to Steve - IN, 11-26-2002 06:40:57  
I cannot recall how long it took before the Italian govm'nt said "Enough!" (In italian of course) and that ended the race. Nowdays they run it as a rallye with antique racers for "show" only. MG switched to hex nuts for safety considerations by their own volution.



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Steve - IN

11-27-2002 04:16:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to CJDave, 11-26-2002 16:07:41  
CJDave,
I looked it up - 1958 was the last one. 10 spectators were killed. A few years ago my daughter lived in Spoleto, which is on the Mille Miglia "track". Didn't mean much to her that she was going down a road where Nuvolari, Fangio, Moss, etc. had passed; but I appreciated it.

One of my favorites has always been the mid 60's Lotus F1 / Indy cars. Green and yellow paint looked like they were JD sponsored. I changed my opinion of Lotus when a model 61 - the wedge car- literally fell apart in front of me at Road America once. One of the last cars I ran was black with gold stripes and numbers like a JPS Lotus. Even had the venturi ground effects which really worked well. Ended up being banned. Good memories, though.

Let's see. Isadora loses her head in '27. Morris Garages responds in '67, and Lucas still holds the patent on the short circuit. There will always be an England.

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DC

11-27-2002 17:43:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '49 JD 'B' restored by 18 yr old in reply to Steve - IN, 11-27-2002 04:16:10  
Thank you for the history lesson, which it has been very interesting and needs further research. The point at hand is that a teenager took the time and effort to clean up and repaint a tractor(being politically correct, it may not have been a complete restoration, but he made one heck of a nice looking tractor out of it that I would be proud to drive down any street in any parade.) Maybe it does have a few oil leaks, but I would rather be walking behind that as the horses. parade. DC

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