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Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice.

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Matt R.

11-11-2002 21:48:36

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Hi all.

While fogging my 1953 Model 60 last night getting it ready for winter storage, I shot the little red plastic tube from the fogging oil can right into cylinder number 2. What is everybody's advice on how to deal with this? Any ideas how to get it out? I fished around a bit with one of those four-fingered pick up tools, but to no avail. Removal of the head will not be easy (exhaust manifold bolts that have been rusting for 50 years). Should I just fire it up and blow / melt it out? The reason I ask this is a buddy of mine did the same thing one time with the tube from a WD-40 can and a small block Ford. He fired it up with the tube still in the cylinder (not wanting to remove the head), and had absolutely no problems with it. He still has the car today, and says all the cylinders check out the same when he does a compression test each year.

Thanks as always for your help, I really appreciate it.

Matt

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11-12-2002 17:48:01

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Re: Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice. in reply to Matt R., 11-11-2002 21:48:36

I would go ahead and start it that little piece of plastic will never be noticed by the engine

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For What's its worth - LET IT EAT IT

11-12-2002 13:18:15

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Re: Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice. in reply to Matt R., 11-11-2002 21:48:36

With as much clearance as the old deeres run it will never even know it is there. Worst thing I can think of it doing is hanging under a valve if it even survives the first firing, by the time it has ran 10 seconds you'll wonder why you didnt do this sooner.

We had a shop rag left stuffed in the intake of a deisel to keep the bugs out and forgot about it and cranked it. IT EAT IT! Took a min or two but it all found it's way through the motor and if it hurt it, who knows, still runs today.

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Ralph

11-12-2002 11:30:49

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Re: Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice. in reply to Matt R., 11-11-2002 21:48:36

I would not start it!! I would not even turn it over. First you have all winter to fish it out. At 975 rpm you have about 0.06 sec to burn it on the first trip. It ain't gonna make it, its going to melt and stick all over. Get your pickup tool out again, fasten a piece of braided wire, thin flexible wire or fish line near the end. As you pullon the wire and push on the tool, it will allow you to steer the pick up tool to the bottom of the cylinder and search from end to end. Most likely it is at the very bottom of the cylinder, i.e. parallel to the cylinder and directly below the plug. You might clamp a washer in the vice and practice. You want the tool to be 2.5 - 3.0" (I don't remember the exact bore on a 60) in into the plug hole and straight down.

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G-MAN

11-12-2002 07:54:28

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Re: Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice. in reply to Matt R., 11-11-2002 21:48:36

I agree with the guys that say to just start it up. Light it up and let 'er eat. That itty bitty plastic tube isn't going to be able to do any damage to the heavy cast iron parts in that "60" engine. If it were something metallic, it would be a different story. More than likely, you won't even see the pieces come out, and it will be completely "vaporized" within the first two firings of the cylinder. It certainly isn't worth the cost in parts and labor of pulling the cylinder head. I've seen guys leave shop rags in intakes by accident and fire engines up. The engine just spits out burning pieces of rag for a while, and that's about it. Good luck with the "60".

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Dutch

11-12-2002 07:46:41

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Re: Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice. in reply to Matt R., 11-11-2002 21:48:36

I would try again with the grabber thingy. First run the piston up to the top by hand and watch through the plug hole with a flashlight and see if you can see it. It might or might not work but worth a try.

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CJDave

11-12-2002 06:39:51

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Re: Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice. in reply to Matt R., 11-11-2002 21:48:36

I would first try a piece of soft rubber tubing through the spark plug hole and put a good shop vacuum on that. It just might get a hold of the little plastic tube and sniff it right out of there.

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leon

11-12-2002 06:32:56

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Re: Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice. in reply to Matt R., 11-11-2002 21:48:36

Plastic burns!

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John Van Valkenburgh

11-12-2002 00:45:08

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Re: Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice. in reply to Matt R., 11-11-2002 21:48:36

Matt,

If it were mine I'd start it. If it seems to run okay, I'd run it for say 15 minutes or so. I'd think the worst it could do is foul the plug or foul the exhaust outlet. I'd say its worth a try anyhow. I think the guy in the previous post mentioned that you really don't have to remove the manifolds. You will however have to drain better than 7 gallons of antifreeze, remove the front and hood, remove the big return water pipe (I'd unbolt both ends and remove it as one piece), pull the carb, bust the rusted bolts on the exhaust manifold to exhaust pipe flange, pull the valve cover vent pipe, pull the valve cover and then pull the head.

Yeah, I'd try starting the old girl up first...

Best of luck,
John

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snowmantn

11-11-2002 23:58:06

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Re: Fogging oil mishap ... need some advice. in reply to Matt R., 11-11-2002 21:48:36

Matt I hope you will get some better ideas how to deal with this but if you decide to remove the head I am almost sure you can leave the manifold bolted to the head if you want. I have not done this on a 60 but I have on a 50 and my neighbor's A.

snowmantn

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