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High performance M or 40, any help?

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john

11-05-2002 07:33:34




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I posted this in the pulling section and everyone was asleep or too busy laughing.

Since lighter tractors are easier to haul I am looking at building a 40, 420, or M to pull as a modified tractor. Anyone ever stuffed some 4.5" or bigger pistons in one, added a little stroke, and reved one up? Any info would be appreciated.




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G Taylor

11-05-2002 20:49:30




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 Re: high performance M or 40, any help? in reply to john, 11-05-2002 07:33:34  
Before building the engine get a set of gripping Firestone 23 degree tires with short hard sharp lugs.
Then pull for a while until you have weight,balance, tire pressure etc all figured out. You will annoy alot of people by putting down to the end of the track in 1st gear on an obviously stock tractor that takes a trophy now and again. Then spend the $10-15,000US to build a 420/430 engine making maybe 105HP. That would be a 5-1/4x5 with an Extrude honed head, dual Webber carbs, custom valve train, titanium rods,custom pistons, sleeving bores and a billet crank whirling at 3500rpm. Down to 90HP with a "stock" looking intake/carb. The 420/430 and especially the late 440 engine made more HP per cubic inch than any other two cylinder Deere. The factory already had them souped up to get the stock HP ratings. Everybody else also wants to tow a light machine. Look at the number of 3500 or 4500lb pullers compared to the 8000,10,000 & 12,000lb classes. The 4500lb class is tough with 801 Fords etc and stripped down 44 Massey easily built to 70HP while wearing 15.5x38 tires.

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Steamer

11-05-2002 09:44:35




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 Re: high performance M or 40, any help? in reply to john, 11-05-2002 07:33:34  
Hi,

My dad made a set of high-compression pistons for the M I have. They were originally a dished-top design, and he made them flat-top.

This wasn't for pulling, but because this particular machine was a wreck. One piston had a cracked top, so he opted to machine it out and fabricate a plug to fit. Since he did that to number 1, he had to do it to number 2 as well.

He didn't want to spend any money on the wreck until he at least heard it run again, so everything that was wrecked in the engine had to either be repaired or built new.

It helped that he was a machinist by trade, with his own shop, and also a modfied stock car as well as midget racer. Making hi-performance parts was his main stock in trade, so the little M was a beneficiary.

We never bothered to dyno the poor old thing, but I can tell you that it runs very differently than the stock 420's and 430's (much less a stock M). Instead of the usual 'putt or 'pop' sound, it makes more of a 'crack' sound. It likes 93 octane gasolene as a minimum, and really likes 100 octane racing fuel. Plus, there's that nice odor associated with racing fuel, too. :-)

I never pulled with it, but it sure makes for a fun lawn mower! :-)

Stan

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Wayne in Tn.

11-05-2002 11:11:26




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 Re: Re: high performance M or 40, any help? in reply to Steamer, 11-05-2002 09:44:35  
If you add much power or traction, to the Dubuque tractors (other than stock weights ect.) then you have to worry about the weak trans. and ring & pinion gears. They are not heavy enough for much over stock HP and traction.



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John

11-05-2002 13:08:18




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 Re: Re: Re: high performance M or 40, any help? in reply to Wayne in Tn., 11-05-2002 11:11:26  
I know there is a limit to what any tractor will take but deeres seem to be overbuilt enough to take alot. We see M's,40's, etc pulling in classes up to 5,500lb. Mine would run out of power at that weight but does well at 4,500 lb. I know the shaft from the clutch to the trans is a little on the small side. Never looked at the pinion. The axles are big enough for a DT466 with a turbo but I dont know how well the carrier will stand any real power. I am talking about using a tractor with 34" rear wheels and not an M with the funky final drives and lawn mower tires as I think they probably are alot weaker. As with anything, if the rearend pukes, we'll come up with a better way to do it!

I am mostly curious to see if someone found a big block chevy piston for instance that could be made to work. Something with a piston pin size close enough to bush to the right size and pin location close enough to not push the piston through the head but get around 9:1 compression. The crank shop can handle the balancing and we will send the cam off to be reground. Mostly lookin for ideas on pistons.

Thanks for the input
John

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big iron

11-05-2002 16:38:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: high performance M or 40, any help? in reply to John, 11-05-2002 13:08:18  
John, A local guy built an engine for his tractor using automotive pistons, then built the connecting rods himself. I would check into the piston idea a little closer. It is relativly inexpensive to have your rod length adjusted to fit your compression height of your piston. Look very closely at having the head ported and port matched also. Good luck.



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