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Henry J

10-31-2002 05:33:33




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my observance

Take a look at the last three pictures. They appear to be shot from the same place. The ROPS on the cat in the background continues to be aligned with same piece of framework on the rail car. Now in especially the last two pictures the bucket of the tractor sure looks like it is closer to the rail car. The pick up in the background seems to support this fact also. So without the back wheels of the tractor on the rail car, the question would be how is the bucket getting closer to the car, if that is the case.

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john2510-3020

11-03-2002 18:40:19




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
Hi all! My dad was a B&B person (Bridge & Building divison) for BNSF for 10-15 years and said he never seen em do it with gravel but once or twice, he said it was a more common practice for them to unload rail road ties like that. Kinda neat to see so many fellow rail roaders on here, What divisons yall work in, and out of what state? He was a B&B person in Springfield, Mo. Before that he worked in the diesel shop, but they closed down and he went to B&B. sorry for being so long winded!
John

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geoff

11-01-2002 20:50:09




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
i just saw the pictures and that is about the craziest thing i have ever seen someone do with a backhoe. i do a similar thing with my 140 just instead of a 15 foot high rail car it's a one foot high car hauler trailer, just because i am too lazy to use ramps. i accomplished this (with the hydraulic blade on) by driving up to the rear of the trailer with the blade raised, put the blade onto the trailer and let the blade raise the front end until the front wheels are even with the trailer and drive forward and let the wheels grip onto the rim of the trailer and the tractor just kind of crawls on there. i do this in a reverse order to get off the trailer.

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geoff

11-01-2002 12:57:22




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
can you email me the pictures so i can see what everyone is talking about

thanks
Geoff



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thurlow

11-01-2002 15:15:27




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 Re: Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to geoff, 11-01-2002 12:57:22  
ff316 posted the link; it's on page 3 of this board under "see pictures on Farmall board".



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William Parker

11-01-2002 03:46:34




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
My father works for one of the railroad companies. so I asked him about this last night. he said it is a common practice for them to do this to unload railcars he also said he has seen them do it with a trackhoe as well as rubber tired backhoe. Willy



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Terry H

10-31-2002 18:52:10




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
Pretty simple to explain how the tractor gets moved foreward with the wheels in the air.....
You just lower the bucket on the FRONT, tilt it foreward all the way (as if you were dumping), and drag the machine foreward. Done it a thousand times when someone not too skilled managed to get our loader at work stuck in the mud or snow.

No doubt in my mind that the series of photos is real. Now about Area 51..... ...

Terry H

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Tom in Mo.

10-31-2002 16:08:35




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
That operator put that tractor on that boxcar and it wasn't as dangerous as it looks. My wife's uncle has climbed a Ford backhoe down into a house basement foundation the same way you see here. Many times a backhoe has spidered over ditches and rebar footings. The operator of that Cat is a good, cool headed operator.



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Ray

10-31-2002 13:14:27




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
How does he get it back out?



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G-MAN

10-31-2002 13:30:56




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 Re: Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Ray, 10-31-2002 13:14:27  
The unit isn't going to actually be "in" the rail car, it will be sitting on top of the sides. I imagine that to get it back off, the operator would simply "reverse procedure" and unload it. As the operator empties one part of the car, he will slide the unit down the sides and unload another part. When that car is empty, he could easily slide onto the next one in front. I would say that the car shown is the end of several. The ones I have seen on rail cars have been on gondola cars - not hopper cars. The gondolas are substantially shorter in height and it would be easier to put a loader on and off in this manner.

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Bob Weber

10-31-2002 07:10:48




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
What pictures are this post referring to?



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G-MAN

10-31-2002 07:38:39




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 Re: Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Bob Weber, 10-31-2002 07:10:48  
Bob, the pics are posted under "See pictures on Farmall board" by CLW. Click on ff316's post under that heading, and then on the link he lists.



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G-MAN

10-31-2002 05:54:39




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
I disagree that the last three photos were taken from "the same place". Looking at the last photo and the angle of the nearest set of rails in relation to the rail car, and clumps of dirt in front of the photographer suggest to me that the last photo was taken several feet to the right of the previous two. I also notice that the bucket is not nearer to the car until the rear wheels are actually in contact with the car. At that point, it would be possible to slide the boom/stick along the ground closer to the car and get another bite to push the machine completely on the car. That backhoes are positioned on top of rail cars is not in question for me, as I personally have seen them there, and I have also seen the brackets allowing them to do so. I also do not doubt that the photos are real, as I have seen some amazing things done with heavy equipment by skilled operators. Having two guys standing their, a pickup and a bulldozer in the background, a railcar full of some mystery material, and so forth seems to be a rather elaborate way to fabricate some pictures for the internet that few people are going to be interested in. These are not crop circle photos. Perhaps a "non-believer" can also suggest how the photos of the backhoe in it's various positions would have been taken, especially the ones that show the machine several feet above the hoe bucket. Someone also apparently went to a lot of trouble to continue to show the background of the trees through the cab windows. It seems to me it would have been much easier to fake against a background of a clear sky. I have several buddies that work for Burlington Northern and Union Pacific, and one of them is a boss on a rail crew. The next time I see him, I will question him about these pics and get his opinion. If I had his cell phone number I would call him right now just to get some facts.

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Henry J

10-31-2002 07:25:40




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 Re: Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to G-MAN, 10-31-2002 05:54:39  
Gees Gman, I made an observation. It seems that you made all the insinuations. It is possible that there is a picture missing or that another should have been taken. No big deal. I could understand if I had said something personally derogator. However, I am not gonna let it effect my blood pressure and my day. :)



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G-MAN

10-31-2002 07:34:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 07:25:40  
I'm not going to get all worked up about it, either. And I don't feel that I was derogatory in my last post at all. I simply explained my take on the photos, the same way that you did yours. That your opinion doesn't match mine doesn't bother me in the slightest. I happen to feel that the photos are real, and that is the opinion I stated, along with saying that I would try to find out for sure if putting a backhoe on a rail car was possible in that matter. I could have easily lied and said that I had seen it done, or had talked to someone that had to verify it, but I didn't do that, either. I thought that this was a discussion board, and I felt that was all we were doing. I don't think that I insinuated anything, and especially nothing about you personally. I'm not going to worry about it any further either. Have a good day.

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John

10-31-2002 05:42:13




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 Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to Henry J, 10-31-2002 05:33:33  
I made the same observation. The hoe bucket has move forward a bit also and Im not sure its possible to do that while balancing like it is. I`m gonn give the photos thge benefit of the doubt tho because we havent seen the devices afixed to the machine for riding the car rails. Not to mention the previous witness accounts. Would love to see it in movie form!



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Big_Roy

11-01-2002 19:55:44




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 Re: Re: Backhoe and Rail Car Photos in reply to John, 10-31-2002 05:42:13  
Having seen this done in person, I will say it is quite a trip. My ol' man is a heavy equip. oper. for the BNSF and has done some pretty amazing stuff with that equipment.



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