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JD B Conversion to 12V

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J.C.

10-25-2002 08:14:04




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I need info on "issues" that need to be addressed during conversion of JD B from 6 volts to 12 volts. Can original 6 volt starter handle 12 volts? Any "gauge sending unit" problems? I do not have manual for electrical systems. Thanks




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Chris

10-25-2002 14:33:35




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 Re: JD B Conversion to 12V in reply to J.C., 10-25-2002 08:14:04  
Everyone has covered your subject well. I just want to add that if originality is important why dont you take your six volt gen. and have it rewound to charge twelve.



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Steve - IN

10-25-2002 16:30:29




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 Re: Re: JD B Conversion to 12V in reply to Chris, 10-25-2002 14:33:35  
Chris,

Good thought, but many times old 6VDC vintage generators can handle an increase in field and armature levels for doing 12 volts. Us guys who get a kick of a cheap fix working even like to think we'll find a pulley to turn the gen faster, and make it work that way.

When I went thru the pros and cons of converting my red tractor, I figured the least I'd be in for is a new voltage regulator, a dropping or ballast resistor into the coil, and some new light bulbs. Stage two said Murphy's law would have me going to a 12 volt coil and a 12 volt generator, if I could find one, or a rebuilt one as you suggest. After that, I saw stage 3 as going to an alternator, switching from pos to neg ground, a cobbled up alternator mounting bracket and maybe cutting into sheet metal -- might as well throw in an electronic ignition while I was at it.

Seemed to me it was just easier to make 6 volts work like it did when new - and the price came in somewhere between stage 1 and 2 of the conversion. Also seemed to me that the reason for the shift to 12 volts originally was because copper prices spiked farther and faster than lead and acid prices -- so it was/is cheaper to use thin 12 volt copper cables and 3 more cells in the battery than it was to use big cables and 3 fewer cells. Granted, this is on a 4 banger that doesn't have 500 some degrees of no spark, and starts quickly anyway. I'm glad my popper is originally 12 volts. If it were a 6, the decision would surely have been closer. What frosted it for me was when I found that when the old generator's brushes acutally pushed down tight, the thing got charged like it should, and was a really happy camper.

If I had a similar situation with a B, I think my first step would be to see if I could get two six volt batteries in the box - under the seat type should be no problem. Then if my clean up on the existing system didn't make me happy, the new fat cables surely wouldn't hurt anything and I could stick in a 2nd 6 volter to make 12, change the regulator, add a dropping resistor to the coil and probably blow out all the light bulbs 'cause I'd forgotten about them.

Lots of ways to do it; even slow cranking is better than hand cranking -- but even for somebody who's not a stickler for detail, an alternator doesn't look right sitting in an old popper.

Steve

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Ross

10-25-2002 13:38:31




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 Re: JD B Conversion to 12V in reply to J.C., 10-25-2002 08:14:04  
J.C.>
Dont listen to those people that tell you not to convert it to 12 volts. I have converted all my working 6 volt tractors from 6 volts to 12 volts that is the best move I ever made. They start so much better plus the lights are a lot brighter. I have even sold a few over the years and the instant 12 volt starting helped sell them. Not one person that looked at my tractors said they didnt want it because it was 12 volts. just the opposite was true I sold 2 to the first person that looked because it impressed them that it cranked over so good. Do it you will love the results>

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John T

10-25-2002 11:44:11




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 Re: JD B Conversion to 12V in reply to J.C., 10-25-2002 08:14:04  
JC, your starter will do fine as is. You will have to change any light bulbs from 6 to 12 volts however. Ammeter, oil pressure, switches etc will be fine. I assume your not going to change polarity??? It came from the factory as positive ground. If youre going to switch to an alternator, you will have to convert to negative ground unless you buy one of those special one wire positive ground models. Let us know your intentions (pos or neg grnd, alternator, mag or delco ignition, etc) and we can advise you further. If you want to leave it 6 but are having starting problems, in my seminars I suggest using 00 Gauge starter and ground cables on 6 volt systems and using the highest rated amp hr capacity battery that will fit in the box. Let us know the charging system and ignition you have or plan to change to and we can get you going. If its a battery powered non mag delco ignition and you need to switch polarity (due to an alternator), alot more has to be done. Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Steve - IN

10-25-2002 09:04:30




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 Re: JD B Conversion to 12V in reply to J.C., 10-25-2002 08:14:04  
J.C.,

Most 6VDC starters don't have a problem with 12VDC. The oil and temp gauges are direct reading, nothing electric involved. You're going to spend money on the 12VDC generator/alternator, the coil - if you have one, regulator, and even the light bulbs.

Stop to consider what happens to the resale value of your tractor when it's no longer "original".

Most of the problems with 6VDC systems come about because the cables have been replaced with 12 volt cables over the years. They get hard to start with more resistance in thin cables. In my experience you might be way ahead of the game by getting a new set of 2 gauge or larger cables (even good welding cable works) and a new 6 volt battery. The 80 to 100 bucks spent that way keeps your tractor original and requires a lot less work, and expense, than a full 12VDC conversion. I just went through this exercise with a red tractor that followed me home one day. He's a happy 6 volter still, and starts just as well as his 12 volt green brethren sharing barn space.

Steve

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Clooney

10-25-2002 08:42:25




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 Re: JD B Conversion to 12V in reply to J.C., 10-25-2002 08:14:04  
J.C., Nothing out of the ordinary. The starter, ammeter, & ign switch will work at 12 volts. The starter won't be a problem unless cranked for excessive time without cooling breaks. The other gauges are mechanical.
~What are you going to use for a charging system?
~You will need to change the lights to 12-14 volts [unless you wire your 6 volters in series]
~The biggest headache is the distributor. If a mag no worries, & if a Delco dist then either a 12 volt internal resisted coil or adding a ballast resistor to your 6 volt coil will work. But if a Wico distributor? Then it becomes more difficult as a standard ballast resistor might not be enough resistance to protect the coil.
~If you have a Wico distributor post back & we will help you get yours resisted correctly or add an external coil [it can be done]...

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