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Restoring JD 530

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Ken in Kansas

12-26-2003 07:30:45




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The 530 is stripped down to the frame, engine, transmission, tires and wheels, ready to sandblast. All the small parts are cleaned and sanded, even the nut and bolts. After sandblasting the frame, can it be primed and then paint the hard to get places as I replace the radiator, fan and steering pump, water pipes, flywheel, brakes, etc. This may take awhile. Then paint the complete tractor except the tin work. I plan to us JD classic paint with hardner, unless suggested otherwise. Looking for advice - Thank You

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Ken in Kansas

12-26-2003 21:55:23




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 Re: Restoring JD 530 in reply to Ken in Kansas, 12-26-2003 07:30:45  
Thank you guys for the follow ups. I won't be sandblasting the engine and transmission. Clooney, I think you need to write a book on restoring 2-cylinders. Thanks again for all the information



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buickanddeere

12-26-2003 15:57:13




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 Re: Restoring JD 530 in reply to Ken in Kansas, 12-26-2003 07:30:45  
Was thinking further about painting a tractor that hasn't been torn down 100% and all new gaskets with premium sealer. Your nice new paint job will likely get drooled on by oil seepage/leaks. It's tough even with a complete new gasket set to avoid dribbles. The 50,520 & 530 tend to ooze between the main case and governor casting.



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Henry J

12-26-2003 12:12:26




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 Re: Restoring JD 530 in reply to Ken in Kansas, 12-26-2003 07:30:45  
Ken

It so happened that Clooney's post was as wide as the Mississippi so I did not read it all. Man whatever you do - if you are gonna keep the tractor - do anything but sand blast assemblies. That grit and dust will surprise you where it can get and it just keeps on grinding and grinding.

Another thing I did a while back is break one of Clooney's painting commandments. Don't paint something without hardner and come back when you are "sure" the paint is cured, scuff it and give it a nice coat of the same stuff with hardner added. On second thought, if you are looking for an alligator skin finish, that would be the way to go lol. I now have a gator hide gas tank to redo.

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Mike M

12-26-2003 10:07:21




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 Re: Restoring JD 530 in reply to Ken in Kansas, 12-26-2003 07:30:45  
I am glad to see that more and more people are against sand blasting unless it is going to be torn down and cleaned out. I have seen some stuff
damaged from past sand blastings, like front wheel bearings,clutch parts,brake parts,and serial number tags.



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Clooney

12-26-2003 09:05:27




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 Re: Restoring JD 530 in reply to Ken in Kansas, 12-26-2003 07:30:45  
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Ken, everybody seems to handle the prep & painting a little differently.

~The first thing I would suggest is to do it the way you feel comfortable with..

~One word of caution: I would suggest you NOT sand blast anything with the engine or transmission still attached to it.. I do personally sand blast the main case & trans case but NEVER without completely disassembling it first... There is just no way you will be able so seal that tractor up enough to keep the sand from entering the engine & transmission.. You can keep most of it out with good taping & seal plugs but there will still be some that enters. That is deadly on bearings, & internal parts.

~On most of my restorations I completely disassemble to the bare cases, then blast, then clean multiple times with compressed air, hot water, & solvent.

~If you don't want to disassemble the engine & trans I would strongly suggest you use a rotary wire brush on a hand grinder & use an air powered de-scalar on the nooks & crannies [works quite good].

~Now on your painting question... If you are painting over a completely sand blasted casting or metal I would recommend you treat the metal with a some sort of a Phosphoric acid metal prep to kill the rust [even sand blasting doesn't remove all the rust it just gets the rust you can see & not the rust in the metal pores], then seal the casting or metal with a good sealer or better yet an Epoxy based primer/sealer like DP 40 or DP 80.. Then spray on your color coat(s)..

~If you are painting over a base that has some remaining paint you must seal it or you risk the top coat lifting or sinking in unevenly.

~If you are using the Deere paint.. that is synthetic enamel & if you use a hardener it must be for synthetic enamel.. If regular acrylic enamel hardener is used is just expensive reducer & won't chemically link with the paint.

~Now on safety....That hardener you are planning on using contains Isocyanates & that stuff is about the worst thing you can ever imagine if you get it in your lungs or even on your skin.. Do some reading on "Isocyanates " before working with them... Even using a paint respirator is iffy & won't completely protect you [it's better than nothing though].. Personally I use a remotely supplied fresh air supply & full face air mask & long sleeve shirts & rubber gloves.. & even then I have become very sensitized to iso's over the years & now get slightly sick after painting even using ALL the protection I can.. I can't stress enough the dangers of painting using Isocyanates in the paint.. Just talk to any of the auto painters out there & you will get about the same information..

~Now on how to paint & assemble.. That's a good question & will vary with just about every person that replies.. Personally I have tried about all ways & have settled on doing the main assembly [without the frame attached, see picture], then painting all the sub parts & assembling those to the main case & trans as the parts become done & dried.. That will leave some touch-up on the bolts but does leave a well painted assembly that looks real good when done.. It is just so difficult to paint up under & around all those added things to begin with & painting over a dried previous coat of paint without roughing it up first is asking for lifting paint in the future..

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buickanddeere

12-26-2003 08:44:59




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 Re: Restoring JD 530 in reply to Ken in Kansas, 12-26-2003 07:30:45  
If the old paint/primer has such a grip that sand blasting is required to get it off. Just do a Frank said, clean the grease off, buff up for adhesion and paint on all the castings. I'm real leary of sand blasting around any oil,lube reseviours,internal parts etc. Taped and capped or not. Sand will find a way in. Manifolds,fenders,hoods,wheels that another story and blast away. Has the internal work has already been done,planned in the future or this is a prettying up job on a worn but running tractor?

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F-I-T

12-26-2003 07:43:33




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 Re: Restoring JD 530 in reply to Ken in Kansas, 12-26-2003 07:30:45  
Ken:

I think that is pretty much how folks do it when they do a complete teardown and paint as assembly progresses. If you need to paint over existing paint (like some green over-spray got on the outside of the frame, and now you're ready for the finish coats), just scuff any color that you will cover with some Scotch-Brite (I like the brown grade for this; the grit is just right). This will open up the paint surface without putting deep score marks in it, and then the old paint will have a bit of tooth, and it will accept the new paint and bond correctly.

Frank

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