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BigMac

10-15-2002 11:37:24




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Is it possible and/or practical to retrofit a 3010 diesel with glow plugs to aid in better cold weather starting? I have installed a block heater and battery warmers but it wont start when it is below about 50 degrees. I am not a big fan of ether in a diesel so I have counted it out for now. Any suggestions or tips on the glow plug option or other options.

My two other Deere diesels will start in any weather but they have glow plugs.

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BigMac

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Farmer Jack

10-16-2002 09:38:15




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 Re: Glow plug retrofit in reply to BigMac, 10-15-2002 11:37:24  
First never mix ether with glow plugs.

Second. replace the 6 volt batteries with two twelve volts in parallel. I think you will be much happier.



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Mike3

10-16-2002 06:51:00




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 Re: Glow plug retrofit in reply to BigMac, 10-15-2002 11:37:24  
Could your 12v starter have a drag in it ,or need replacing? I have found this to be the case with our 4000 several times when it gets slow to start.



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BigMac - Reply to all who responded

10-16-2002 05:08:59




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 Re: Glow plug retrofit in reply to BigMac, 10-15-2002 11:37:24  
Everyone,
First off, thanks for your input.

Based on your replies and questions, it appears that my problem is cranking RPMs. This is a 1963 3010 diesel so it had the best of everything for the model. It has been converted to 12 volt so it has a 12 volt starter but retained the 2 batteries hooked in series. Even with a battery charger on it when it is 90 degrees out, it still cranks slow in my opinion. It will usually start when it is 65 degrees or higher. Below that, I have to get the charger out. The batteries are only a couple of years old, from what I was told, but they may need replacing. I just don't seem to be able to spin the engine fast enough to get a good start. Should I replace the starter solenoid?

I have been tempted to build a battery box to hang on the left side engine rail and put a single school bus battery in it and connect it up with much shorter battery cables. Plus it would be more convenient to jump or service. The under platform battery boxes are slick but they make it a bear to work on the batteries.

The compression seem OK put I have not measured it and the tractor runs perfect at temperature. I agree with you on the ether G-Man. It must be used sparingly and correctly. I hate using it on lawnmower engines let alone on a large diesel.

What could or should I "tune up" to get better starts? Should I replace the injectors? New batteries or switch to single large battery?

What do you think.

BigMac

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G-MAN

10-16-2002 09:58:28




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 Re: Re: Glow plug retrofit in reply to BigMac - Reply to all who responded, 10-16-2002 05:08:59  
If you believe you have a starter problem, remove it and take it in to be bench tested. There are specs for amp draw and free speed. If it doesn't meet these criteria, it likely has some internal issues that a new solenoid isn't going to cure. The solenoid simply engages the drive and makes the connection from the positive terminal to the motor terminal. As long as it is doing those two jobs, it is functioning correctly. The two 12-volt batteries in parallel is an excellent idea, as it will effectively double the CCAs going to the starter, which will definitely increase performance. Also make sure that you have good battery cables of sufficient size with good clamp-on or solder-on type ends, rather than the el-cheapo bolt-on replacements. With these improvements, your 3010 should start much easier, providing the rest of the engine and fuel system are in good shape.

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G Taylor

10-15-2002 16:58:12




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 Re: Glow plug retrofit in reply to BigMac, 10-15-2002 11:37:24  
What is the cranking rpm? Higher rpms make more heat/higher temps and allow less time for cold combustion chamber walls to cool the air before injection occurs.



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G-MAN

10-15-2002 16:28:07




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 Re: Glow plug retrofit in reply to BigMac, 10-15-2002 11:37:24  
I just wanted to throw in my two cents about ether use. It will not damage the engine if used correctly, or JD wouldn't put it on the tractors. It is much better to use a little ether and have the engine start right away than crank and crank to get it to start. Get the engine spinning over good and give it a few quick sniffs, and it should fire right up. The problem guys run into is when they fog the intake system heavily and then try to crank the engine, which usually results in an ether-locked engine or in extreme cases, engine damage. I don't know of anyway to retrofit the engine with glow plugs, as those engines are direct injection, and glow plugs are generally used in precombustion chamber engines. However, you might be able to engineer some type of heater system for the intake, similar to what is used on Cummins engines in Dodge pickups. Deere actually produced intake heaters for later tractor series, starting with the 40 series. Perhaps some of those parts could be engineered into a system for your 3010.

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Plant Doctor

10-15-2002 16:02:40




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 Re: Glow plug retrofit in reply to BigMac, 10-15-2002 11:37:24  
BigMac: If you have the early style injector pump on your 3010 they are buggers to get started in the cool or cold weather. If you ever need to have the injector pump worked on, change it over to the later style 3010 pump and you will see a big difference in the way it starts both in summer and winter. But keep in mind even with the newer style pump the 3010's started hard when the temperature dropped below 25 degrees. At 25 degrees or colder you better have both batteries charged to the max.

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Dave Thuesen

10-15-2002 14:58:39




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 Re: Glow plug retrofit in reply to BigMac, 10-15-2002 11:37:24  
Hello,

Have you tried a cold weather destoke kit for your front pump? Is your engine cranking fast enough? Maybe you have weak injectors, they will cause very poor starting. Sounds like you may have a problem to resolve before you put a glowplug heater on. If it dont start with a block heater and battery warmers you have a problem somwhere else to address. Have you done a compression check?

Let me know.

Dave Thuesen.

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