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Greg H.

09-20-2002 06:54:24




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Hey there,
I'm interested in the new Generation tractors, and was just wondering about the 5020. How much more physically larger is it than the 4020, and how much does it weigh? Any further information or experiences expressed about this model is apprechiated. Thanks in advance, Greg H.




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Glen Rusling

09-20-2002 20:43:42




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 Re: 5020 in reply to Greg H., 09-20-2002 06:54:24  
My 5010 weighs at 15,500lbs with fluid. 5020 isn't going to be lighter



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Plowin

09-20-2002 11:14:42




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 Re: 5020 in reply to Greg H., 09-20-2002 06:54:24  
Hello Greg
We had a 1969 5020 24.5 32 axle dauls and adjustable front axle.Put a M&W turbo kit on it turn the pump up a tad pulled like a frieght train.Had no trouble at all with the 531 in fact the fella that bought it from us is still useing it today.Was a hard tractor to start in the fall.Forget a jump bring on the chain.We also had a 5010 like Gman said it wouldn;t get out of it's own way.If your going to buy one of these big boys spend the extra money on a 6030.I would buy a 4840 instead when you see what a nice 6030 will cost.While I'm ramblin on try to find with out a cab we took ours off.Talk about straight pipes making you death these cabs where no treat on the ear drums.
What? Hun? Plowin

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G-MAN

09-20-2002 16:21:10




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 Re: Re: 5020 in reply to Plowin, 09-20-2002 11:14:42  
You're right Plowin, the 5020 was available with an adjustable front. I was thinking that neither it or the 5010 were.



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G-MAN

09-20-2002 10:41:46




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 Re: 5020 in reply to Greg H., 09-20-2002 06:54:24  
Greg, the 5020 was the updated version of the 5010, which was the first tractor to have 100 horsepower at the PTO and drawbar. The 6030 was based on the 5020, and had 175 PTO HP. 5020s are substantially larger than a 4020, and depending on equipment, can weigh in the neighborhood of 10,000 to 13,000 lbs or more. Due to the much higher weight of the 5020, and not having a whole lot more horsepower, a good 4020 would pull with a 5020 in the right conditions. They have a very large, non-adjustable front axle. They are powered by a naturally aspirated Deere 6531 engine (531 cubic inches), and had the 8 spd synchro-range transmission. It wouldn't be all that hard of a job to install a 6619 engine in one and have some fun at pulls, although they pull pretty good in stock form. They are basically completely overbuilt from the clutch housing on back, and drivetrain failures are pretty rare. There were industrial versions built for use with scrapers, sheeps foot rollers and so on. The engines have been known to have some problems from time to time, mostly resulting from abuse and poor maintenance. All in all, 5020s are big, strong and heavy tractors, so if you're interested in purchasing one, you're not going to be hauling it on a car trailer behind a half-ton pickup, lol.

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tubba_JD420C_ny

09-20-2002 17:05:57




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 Re: Re: 5020 in reply to G-MAN, 09-20-2002 10:41:46  
The 5020's were known for having practically bulletproof transmissions and rear ends. There are conversions of 5020's where 300 HP detroits and Cummins's have been grafted onto the drive trains. At least 100 of these have been made according to Peterson and Beemer in their great book 'John Deere New Generation Tractors". They show a 5020 with a 400 HP 855 Cummins in it, then a 4440 cab and an 8850 hood added, then called the result a "5050" By the way, if you like New Gen tractors, this book is a must as it has great pix, specs, and the full New Gen story.
just my 2 cents.

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G-MAN

09-21-2002 07:34:43




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 Re: Re: Re: 5020 in reply to tubba_JD420C_ny, 09-20-2002 17:05:57  
Tubba, I have the New Generation book, and I have to agree with Jim on the content. It has a lot of good pictures and some decent data, but is more geared toward the casual tractor enthusiast rather than someone that is really into them, kind of like most of the Motorbooks publications. That 5050 looks like an interesting tractor, but I've heard from some others on this board that it's pretty much a butcher job, but not having seen it myself, I couldn't say. I know Kinze has converted a lot of tractors, but I've heard some bad things about some of their tractors, like the 5050. The John Deere Tractors and Equipment books have much better info, as far as I'm concerned. I don't have them yet, but I borrowed them from a friend. One covers history up to around 1960, and the other from then til the early 90s or so. They have some good data on New Gen development, including the variable transmission Deere experimented with.

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tubba_JD420CC_ny

09-22-2002 15:41:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 5020 in reply to G-MAN, 09-21-2002 07:34:43  
I agree with you and JD70Jim on the content of the New Gen book, however, at least they do have a fairly decent specifications section in the back and covers all the New Gen models. The two-volume MacMillan JD history set is a must for JD fans, and the Macmillan book John Deere Tractors-A Century of Progress (or something like that) is pretty decent, too. Miller's book, "designing the New Generation Tractors" is pretty good on background of the New Gen (10 series)the 4020 certainly rates is own book, that's for sure. It has its own web site called FortyTwenty.com (not surew about the upper or lower case). decent pix and a good classifieds section. my two pennies.

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JD70Jim

09-20-2002 19:36:07




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 Re: Re: Re: 5020 in reply to tubba_JD420C_ny, 09-20-2002 17:05:57  
Regarding the Beemer and Petersen book, JOHN DEERE NEW GENERATION TRACTORS, it has a lot of fine pictures, they write and include some useful information (all gleaned from other sources) on the ten series, BUT they compress everything they have to say about the most popular NG tractor of them all, the 4020, into a few column inches, and even then they hardly talk about the 4020.

I can't look in their book and find out about chassis types. I can't look in their book and learn about production changes. I can't look in their book and read about matched equipment, or find anything at all about even best guesses for production numbers. Yes, they have some anecdotal comments and some pretty pictures (some of which actually show correctly decaled and equipped tractors---what a surprise!)

I sure wish someone would write an informative book on the 4020 and 3020 detailing chassis types, optional equipment, decal placement, matched equipment, all of the Nebraska tests and reprinted pages from the original sales brochures. Picures of unrestored, original tractors along with pictures of correctly restored tractors would also be nice. I'd pay good money for such a book. Hope someone writes it, before I decide I have to do it myself! I'm sure tired of waiting!

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