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Anyone a 8630, 8430 owner??

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JD Guy in Ne

09-05-2002 18:19:58




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would like to know what to look for as I am looking at 2 of them this weekend. I know very little about these models but do know they are damn expensive to work on if they break down! Any tell tale signs of future trouble to look out for before I invest in one of these monsters.. thanks for your input if you can help!




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shoe

09-06-2002 22:52:04




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 Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 09-05-2002 18:19:58  
It has been my experience that any of the 30
series JD's were junk, I would steer away from all of them.



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JD Guy in Ne

09-06-2002 13:51:40




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 Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 09-05-2002 18:19:58  
thanks for all the input, especially JDJim, I might reconsider the 8630 and go with the 8430 instead, especially with one over 7000 hrs.. and your right about 4WD, I really don't need it but a Steiger is a better deal around these parts if I should decide to go that route.. by the way, I've never heard of a 'Versatile' tractor before, who mfgs. them & where can I get more info on one.. thanks again for all your input, it's been very helpful and I'm glad now I asked..

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Bob

09-07-2002 09:13:39




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 Re: Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 09-06-2002 13:51:40  
Versatile tracotors are built in Winnipeg Canada.
They were independant, then were part of Ford/Ford New Holland. With Case IH and Ford New Holland merging (or whatever they did), Versatile was spun off, and taken over by John Buehler Co..
They have an updated tractor line, pretty nice looking!



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G-MAN

09-06-2002 15:26:00




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 Re: Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 09-06-2002 13:51:40  
Versatile was the name of the manufacturer. They started back in the 60s or so, and were kind of like Steiger in that they were independent. They started building large four wheel drives and it was Versatile that built the Bi-Directional tractors that were articulated and could mount equipment on both ends, and the steering column and seat swiveled around in the cab. Versatile was bought out by Ford, and then Ford tractors were purchased by New Holland. The tractors still had some Versatile stickers on them clear up until the New Holland 80 and 82 series four wheel drives. The tractors were powered by 855 Cummins engines, and usually used heavy-duty truck axles with outboard planetaries. I worked on these tractors for 3 years or so, and they are rugged, simple and very reliable. You can see lots of them in the western part of Nebraska around the Sidney area - that is where I used to work.

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chris

09-06-2002 12:30:01




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 Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 09-05-2002 18:19:58  
I have an 8430 & 8440 the 466 motors are bullet proof with regular service I stayed with the smaller tractors because of that have replaced both hyd pumps nothing else major.



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G-MAN

09-06-2002 07:31:59




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 Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 09-05-2002 18:19:58  
If you don't need the horsepower of the 8630, I would lean toward the 8430 also. Like Leon posted, the 6466 is a much more dependable engine than the 6619, and repairs are considerably cheaper, too. However, one thing to keep in mind is that the 8430 is not all that powerful of a tractor. I believe they're rated around 185 hp or so, and with that horsepower in a heavy four wheel drive, they're not all that much of a horse. Most probably turn a little in excess of 200 hp or so, providing they're not turned up. My grandpa and uncle own an 8450 which is not turned up and has 205 PTO horsepower, and it is a real solid tractor. However, their 4560 two wheel drive with 1500 lb weights in the back and duals will pull with that 8450 all day, due to the lesser weight, and the 4560 is not turned up either. I guess my point is that a good 4640/4840 will probably outwork that 8430, unless you absolutely need four wheel drive traction. The main problem with the older four wheel drive is that any powertrain repair generally requires a lot of disassembly and labor time.

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Wind

09-06-2002 10:06:32




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 Re: Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to G-MAN, 09-06-2002 07:31:59  
Maybe considering a 4650 MFWD would be the best of both worlds?



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leon

09-06-2002 04:30:21




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 Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 09-05-2002 18:19:58  
There was a major modification program on the 8630, but that was all over years ago. Ther's little doubt that the 6-466 engine used in the 8430 was a much better engine at that time than was the 6-619 engine used in the 8630. If you can get by with the lower power, I think in general you'll find the 8430 a more reliable tractor than the 8630. But then, used ones take on their own reliability personality after this many years. It depends a lot on how they've been used, serviced and maintained.

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JDJIM

09-05-2002 20:07:18




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 Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 09-05-2002 18:19:58  
I bought one of the very last 8630's made , '78 model wasn't used till spring of '79 . Still have it has 4800some hrs on it . Had the injection pump set 10% over stock setting when I had 500hrs on it , they said it'll run a long time set that way , still running good as it ever did , doesn't use much oil but you know how it is seems like you never have enough power but I'm scared to turn it up more .
With all the horror stories going around and I know many of them are true , at 3000hrs I did the bottom end , new bearings and bolts , bearings and everything else in there looked real good . Rebuilt the injectors and checked the inj pump again .
At around 4000hrs I lost the low side of trans , the syncros , not the 2sp . When they got in there they found the ring gear chipped so while it was that far I put a new ring and pinion in . So $4600 later I was back in the field . I also had the hydraulic pump rebuilt somewhere in there . Still running it , pull a 11 shank Glencoe soil saver and a 30ft DMI field cultivator , I keep my fingers crossed till it is shut down every night .
I know I've had better luck than a lot of you have had but I've spent more on this tractor than I have on all the other Deeres I've owned and still own in the last 35yrs from 4020's to 4840's .
I am considered a die hard Deere guy in these parts , I like their smaller tractors , far as I'm concerned there is no better tractor made than the 20-50 series tractors I know others will argue that but I have had good luck with them . BUT I WILL NOT buy or recomend anyone buy a Deere 4wd except for the model with the Cummins engine in it , I think that is the 8960 and 8970 model , and they are too costly for my operation .
If you are looking for a tractor in the 8630-40 range buy a Versatile 875 or 895 they are much simpler to work on and the Cummins engine , well it speaks for itself . A Steiger from that vintage is also an excellent tractor worth considering also . I'm just waiting for a Versatile to show up at the right time and place and the 8630 will be gone .
I know I went on too long and will probably catch some h!!l for this but I'm telling it like it is . My maintenance program is very good , maybe not the most polished tractors but on the inside they are well taken care of . That's my experience with a 8630 maybe I'm being too critical of the old girl but that's my advice . Jim Forgot this : When I had the bottom end done I asked the shop foreman about doing it and if it would get me to 5000hrs , his reply was " I don't know I have never seen one run 3000hrs on the original engine ". Sure made me feel good .

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Bob

09-06-2002 22:17:40




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 Re: Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JDJIM, 09-05-2002 20:07:18  
Compared to the Deere closed center hydraulics, the Versatile hydraulics are pathetic, almost up to the time Ford took them over and painted them blue. If you need to run a hydraulic motor, etc., forget it with the Versatile.



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Bob

09-05-2002 18:39:08




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 Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 09-05-2002 18:19:58  
I've got one, 8630, second owner, 1882 hours when I bought it in 1980, 7500 on it now. Repaired inj. pump years ago, leaking fuel into oil. Repaired hydraulic pump once, replaced it with new one several years ago. Hi-low planetary 2- speed failed at 5000 hours, replaced it with new. It has leaked engine oil at right rear of head for a number of years, but I've held off on removing the head... the blocks are known to crack around the sleeve area to the point the are not useable, and I'm scared of what I'll find!!!

They are known for having the oil pump/cam gear fail, stopping the oil pump, and killing the engine. Deere has a procedure for checking the gear wear to see if it's getting near the failure point.

Depending on serial #, they were known for the outer axle tapered-roller bearing turning on the axle shaft. If not worn too bad, the shaft could be ground down, and a special bearing with a smaller ID used. If this has been done to a machine, there should be a star (asterisk) stamped by hand on the outside end of the axle shaft. I had a neighbor break both rear axles about a year apart, but haven't heard of anyone else having that happen, so I don't know how common that is, but it sure would be annoying!!!

It sure has been a good tractor for me, although I've sure heard horror stories of breakdowns others have had. I have always let mine warm up a few minutes before putting it under load, and let it idle a few minutes to cool before shutting it down. I generally throttle back to about 1900 RPM's, where it is quiter in the cab, and easier on the machine, and that may be part of the reason for it's longevity.

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fredo

09-05-2002 20:23:05




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 Re: Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to Bob, 09-05-2002 18:39:08  
wasn't there an upgrade to the 50 series engine with deere helping pay some of the cost or was that the 4630 tractor?



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JDJIM

09-05-2002 20:29:29




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 Re: Re: Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to fredo , 09-05-2002 20:23:05  
I think that was for the very early tractors that had a lot of hrs on them . That's what they told me anyway , thay said mine was too new and it had some of the improovements on it , supposedly .



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Lary

09-06-2002 16:07:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to JDJIM, 09-05-2002 20:29:29  
How do you guys feel about 8440's



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Ray

09-10-2002 16:04:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone a 8630, 8430 owner?? in reply to Lary, 09-06-2002 16:07:38  
I just sold an 8640 with 2300 hours that my dad
bought new.Never had any problems,other than 1
universal joint.Deere did the engine updates
free of charge.



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