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Stuck, broken off bolt

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BJ

09-03-2002 05:13:49




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While taking the front frame off of my 1950 JD B, I broke one of the bolts. About 1/2 inch of it is sticking out from the casting. Are there any effective way to approach this situation. Someone suggested I load the whole thing up and take it to a machine shop. Is that over-kill or the best solution? I'm a little afraid of heating cast iron because I'm told it cracks easily under heat. Thanks!

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ToddF

09-03-2002 14:07:56




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 Re: Stuck, broken off bolt in reply to BJ, 09-03-2002 05:13:49  
BJ,

I've had pretty good luck just heating the stud up red hot, let it cool down and then try it. Welding a nut on works pretty much the same with the added benefit of having something to grab it with. After it has cooled some (not red anymore) it helps to spray some penetrating oil on the stud, it will get drawn into the threads as it cools. I was recently told to touch some wax to the hot stud and it would work similar to the penetrating oil, I have never tried it though. The trick is to let it cool pretty much to room temperature before turning it. The theory is that you heat the stud up to were the material softens just a bit and it takes the shape of the hole, then as it cools it actually begins to shrink away from the wall of the housing and breaks any rust or scale that has formed and it will generally loosen enough to turn. No absolute guarantee though. I have done this to studs in castings without cracking the casting, I may just be lucky and I've only done it 4 or 5 times and never on a JD B. And that is most of my 2 cents worth.

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ChuckW

09-03-2002 12:12:06




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 Re: Stuck, broken off bolt in reply to BJ, 09-03-2002 05:13:49  
as I recall, those are studs and the cast side is larger than the nut side. This is to prevent backing out. I would weld a nut on stud with nickel rod then use an impact wrench, lower air setting first and back it off. Guess I am puzzled why the frame is being removed?



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F-I-T

09-03-2002 06:07:32




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 Re: Stuck, broken off bolt in reply to BJ, 09-03-2002 05:13:49  
BJ:

I'm sure you'll get lots of recommendations, but here's what has worked for me.

If you have access to a welder, you can weld an nut onto the stud. The heat from the welding process will help free the stud. Prior to the welding, I like to heat the whole broad area with a propane torch. Bringing the larger area up even a couple of hundred degrees will help to minimize the chances of cracking the casting.

You could also grind the stud flat on top, get a good mark on it with a quality center punch, and start drilling it out with progressively larger bits. This method will likely take longer, but it's probably less risky, provided you don't run out the side of the stud.

Good luck !

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Keith

09-05-2002 05:35:29




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 Re: Re: Stuck, broken off bolt in reply to F-I-T, 09-03-2002 06:07:32  
I used to be the "Master Extractor". Try this if you trust your hands:

Using an acytelene torch (burns hotter)heat the screw and about 1" around the hole red hot just short of bright cherry. Cast iron can probably take it. When it is still real hot jam a wad of beeswax into the area around screw. Let it cool off. Using a small pipe wrench CAREFULLY try to back the screw out ONLY until it "pops". If it gives even a little, heat it again to dull cherry and reapply the beeswax. then working the screw back and forth ease that sucker out. Rots o ruck!

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