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JD 430 pto question.

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Mike

08-20-2002 18:05:54




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Bought a 430W today,forgot to check the pto,and of
course it doesn't work.With the tractor shut off
it seems to ingage fine,and the pto will not turn.
With the tractor running it seems like the lever
won't go far enough to ingage.When I try to force
the lever over I hear a clicking noise.Will it need to be split?




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G Taylor

08-21-2002 06:30:26




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 Re: JD 430 pto question. in reply to Mike, 08-20-2002 18:05:54  
The two stage clutch requires the proper tool and knowhow to set. Some of the same parts where used on Massey's of that era believe it or not when we did the 435's live clutch. The pto lever attaches with a roll pin, it's a long shot but it isn't on 180 degree rotated?



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Bguy

08-21-2002 06:25:38




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 Re: JD 430 pto question. in reply to Mike, 08-20-2002 18:05:54  
Mike, My 430W was doing exactly the same thing and I was getting ready to tear into it. One day I got to messing with it again and figured out that if I depressed the clutch while engaging the pto it would work perfectly. You might want to take a look at this. I was real happy to find out it was operator error rather than a mechanical(=$$$$) problem.



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Henry J

08-21-2002 05:59:58




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 Re: JD 430 pto question. in reply to Mike, 08-20-2002 18:05:54  
Mike

We ought to start a club. If you have live pto, there there is a herd of 420/430's out there like that. Another quick check is if the clutch free travel is set correctly. On mine you can't adjust the clutch pedal up any more than 3-4 inches of free travel. Mine definitely has to come apart up front.

A word of caution concerning the coupler in the trans. It may not be the hardest stuff in the world or the guy that had been engaging mine was a moose. It had the teeth 2/3 ground off and the engagement shaft was bent. I had to replace that stuff when I had the back end apart to replace a ring and pinion.

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mike

08-21-2002 11:27:19




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 Re: Re: JD 430 pto question. in reply to Henry J, 08-21-2002 05:59:58  
I guess I'll just have to bight the bullet and
tear into it.I bought it from an old guy in
northen KY,who specializes in these little
tractors,supposed to be a real honest guy,guess
I found out different.



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BMeyer

08-20-2002 18:31:18




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 Re: JD 430 pto question. in reply to Mike, 08-20-2002 18:05:54  
Chances are it'll need to be split. However, have you tried to engage the lever and leave it engaged and then start the tractor? Does the PTO shaft then turn? It could very well be the sliding coupling inside the tranny, in which case it'll have to be split to get all the other shafts out so you can get to the powershaft, which is the very bottom shaft in the tranny.

The first thing I'd try is this....It could be the little steel ball catching on the vertical shaft which is connected to the engagement lever. Be very careful when taking the little ball out though. You'll have to drain the oil and that little ball could roll down inside the tranny and if it does, you might be able to retreive it with a small telescopic magnet. If not, then take everything apart.

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mike

08-20-2002 19:12:24




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 Re: Re: JD 430 pto question. in reply to BMeyer, 08-20-2002 18:31:18  
With the tractor running and the pto in gear,it
does nothing.If I force the lever in as far as it will go,(probably another 1/8" os so it makes
a clicking sound like it's not going far enough
to ingage.



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Wayne in Tn.

08-20-2002 18:50:34




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 Re: Re: JD 430 pto question. in reply to BMeyer, 08-20-2002 18:31:18  
Mike, it sounds as if you have live PTO and the small clutch plate (pto clutch) is stuck or problems with the pressure plate. First, engage the pto lever, then start the engine. If the shaft will pull a load, then this means problems with the dual clutch. The tractor can be used this way, you just have to start the engine with the pto in gear. I am currently using a 430T this way now to bushog with. I am using an override between the output shaft and the bushog coupling. If yours will work by engaging the lever before starting the engine, then if you want to fix it right, you will have to break it into and check out the dual clutch system. This type pressure plate is very sensitive as to correct adjustment. As a last resort, you can buy the pressure plate and it will be pre-adjusted. It and both clutch discs will run around $300

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Wayne...one more thing...

08-20-2002 18:55:17




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 430 pto question. in reply to Wayne in Tn., 08-20-2002 18:50:34  
To determine if you have "live" or not... If the lever position is IN gear when moved to the inside (toward trans. shifter) and is OUT of gear when moved to the outside, then it is "live". If it works reverse to this, then it is not "live"



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