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Mike

08-15-2002 09:45:53




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Does anyone know the first year and model that came with a factory 3pt.




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Steve - IN

08-15-2002 10:12:26




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 Re: first 3pt hitch in reply to Mike, 08-15-2002 09:45:53  
Mike,
The easy answer is the 9N Ford in 1939. But I suspect you mean a JD, so I'd guess an M in 1947. By that time the Ford / Ferguson battle had put the patents up for grabs, and JD could stick on a 3pt without too much fear of spending a fortune in litigation.



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Bill

08-15-2002 11:34:29




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 Re: Re: first 3pt hitch in reply to Steve - IN, 08-15-2002 10:12:26  
The M did not have a 3pt hitch. The first JD with a true 3pt hitch that could interchange implements with the Fords was the 1953 model 40. The Waterloo tractors had the 800/801 hitch in the same time frame but didn't get a true 3pt hitch until the 20 series came out.



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Steve - IN

08-15-2002 13:55:24




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 Re: Re: Re: first 3pt hitch in reply to Bill, 08-15-2002 11:34:29  
Bill,

Fun stuff, this patent pettifoggery. The Ferguson patents issued from 1917 to 1939, but I'm guessing you mean the Dec 2, 1925 patent, #253566 as the true embodiment of a 3pt hitch.

Seventeen years (a patent life) later it would have seemed safe to test the water with a "functional equivalent" of the 3pt that partially read on the claims of the '25 and fully read on the earlier patents; that being the "rear hydraulic implement lift" that was on the JD M (which was built to compete with 9N's and 2N's). The M doesn't fully read on '25 claims as it did not have draft control, yet you could probably get some sort of lawsuit to stick under the patent law doctrine of functional equivalency. But Henry was dying then and Harry was back in England more ticked off with Ford than JD -- so nobody stepped up to sue JD as the two F's were gunning for each other more than lowly JD -- which wasn't selling 1 M for every 5 Fords sold at the time.

The big fight, the Ford / Ferguson litigation, settled in '53 and Harry walked away with 9 million of Henry's bucks (more accurately Henry's kid's bucks). So the '53 date you mention for the 40 gells nicely. The last Ferguson patent of '39 expired in '56. 20 series tractors show up in '57. Cute.

What's a true 3pt? I dunno. My '66 1020 doesn't fully read on the '25 Ferguson patent, but I'm fairly sure it has a 3pt. The M had an equivalency to earlier Ferguson patents, later models are closer to the '25 patent. I just found 127 patents on the subject at delphion.com. New Holland had one issue in 2000 involving draft control by microprocessor. Doesn't even reference Ferguson. Apologies to Mike, who may have expected a simple answer to his question.

Steve

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Bill

08-16-2002 04:09:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: first 3pt hitch in reply to Steve - IN, 08-15-2002 13:55:24  
I've got a fairly good book on the Ford/Ferg tractors, what I seem to recall is that most of Harry's patents were for the load control part of the hitch. After the settlement Ford brought out their new tractor in 53 with a new loadcontrol setup to get around the patents. The JD 40 also came out in 53 with a different load control setup than was patent by Harry. The M had a very good hitch setup for it's time but still doesn't compare to a 3pt.

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Steve - IN

08-16-2002 12:25:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: first 3pt hitch in reply to Bill, 08-16-2002 04:09:11  
Bill,

You're right about load control being claimed a lot in the Ferguson patents. I think this is why: Like most outfits that do a bunch of patents on basically the same subject, each successive Ferguson patent reiterates the claims of the previous patents. It's a good strategy to strengthen the patents. So you get, for example, a patent in 1937 which added sway blocks and control chains as the bottom claim, but also reiterates claims: 1. a tractor 2. a tractor with hitching means 3. a tractor with hitching means, said hitching means having load control. And so on and so forth until the 10th or whatever claim is about the sway block. The thing is that patents only last 17 years, but by patenting a refinement later on, you can give your key patent a new lease on life by claiming it all over again. So every Fergie patent would seem to be about load control. Stuff like this is why patent lawyers can charge 500 bucks an hour.

In a trick bag like this, the Deere guys probably had the hitch on the M designed by a lawyer. They obviously could have just copied the Ford 3pt -- but patent suits get real expensive, real fast. And Ford / Fergie probably wasn't interested in licensing. It was as close to the Ford as the lawyer dared to get and yet have something that could try to compete with the Ford in the marketplace. Another strategy is something like seeing those rock shafts on late A's and B's, etc. If you have 10 or 20 or 30 aftermarket shops building hitch parts to fit on the rockshafts which are then installed by dealers or farmers -- there are maybe a few thousand or 10,000 infringers. Just too many defendants to go after to economically defend the patent --even though it has no load control -- people thought they were getting a 3pt.

I've got a book that says the M was Deere's first product that functioned like the Ford / Fergie 3 point. You're right, no load control, so it didn't really do the job for plowing. It was Deere's first try at something close -- and wink, wink, nudge, nudge, don't use the word 3 pt 'cause we don't want a patent suit. Call it a "Touch-O-Matic" instead. They needed to do something similar as they were getting beaten badly in the market. The load or draft control device meant a '39 Ford could plow about as much in a day as a big '39 model G Deere. Funny how all the compact and utility tractors you see now have "3 points" -- but top arm is bolted to nothing but dumb metal so the load control is accomplished by your hand on the lever -- and they're generally a pain to try to plow with (least here in Indiana clay) yet they're called 3pts. Also when you consider all the no-till going on, the whole subject is becoming less and less relevant.

Fun to discuss history of ideas in machines and all the twists and turns that were made for personal, legal, economic, polictical, etc. reasons. Thanks for your compliment, zane, hope I didn't put too many people to sleep.

Steve

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Edward Sorrow

07-18-2004 09:32:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: first 3pt hitch in reply to Steve - IN, 08-16-2002 12:25:24  
John Deer 1020
I have been trying to figure out where the draft lever is on this tractor.

Usually a tractor has a draft so that the 3-point lift can be lowered down farther for plowing of other implement work.

Does this tractor have a draft capability?

Help?



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Ralph

08-17-2002 21:01:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: first 3pt hitch in reply to Steve - IN, 08-16-2002 12:25:24  
Anyone that claims to be able to plow as much with a 39 Ford as a 39 G has not been on a G and therefore easily falls victim to Henry's WW II propaganda. Our '50 8N would keep up to our '46 A of about the same horsepower until one hit tough conditions or it was put to straight drawbar work. The transmission of the 8N lasted 3 years before repair, the steel sleeves lasted 4 years at which time it was rebored for cast sleeves. The latter apparently warped the block, for we couldn't keep a head gasket in it. It was traded for an 860 in '56. I'm not saying the Ford was a bad tractor, but that it was best used for light work.

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zane

08-15-2002 17:50:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: first 3pt hitch in reply to Steve - IN, 08-15-2002 13:55:24  
Steve:Thanks for an informative post.



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