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JD 60 Radiator Cap

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Scott Caudill

07-24-2002 10:06:34




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Does anyone know what the correct pressure radiator cap is for a John Deere 60 Gas?




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Steve - IN

07-25-2002 08:46:52




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 Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Scott Caudill, 07-24-2002 10:06:34  
Scott,

Some good points posted.

My JD 60 service manual is silent on the subject of cap pressure. Or, if it says something, I haven't found it. When you consider how much more coolant there is in the 60's system versus a 320 cu. in. car, I think it's safe to say it wasn't designed to run terribly hot. Add to that a fully exposed engine for natural air cooling, and you're never going to get it to run as hot as your 327 Chevy or whatever.

Ignition timing and mixture can cause that cool running. Too rich gives you unburned gasoline which washes down the cylinder walls of lube, dilutes the oil, and covers everything in black soot on its way out. Black smoke is the big tell tale. Lean it out, it will run hotter and more efficiently. Don't get it so lean there's a lot of white smoke -- that does nasty things to exhaust valves and ultimately the whole combustion chamber.

Your '55 should have a thermostat instead of shutters. That thermostat is a booger to get to. A cheap and dirty cure for the winter is running with a plastic trash bag over part of the front screen until it comes up to temp. Meantime it sounds like you're in no danger of boiling over, so tightening down that cap isn't going to hurt anything.

Steve

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Scott

07-25-2002 10:11:37




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 Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Steve - IN, 07-25-2002 08:46:52  
Steve,
You are right on the service manual. It doesn't talk about the cap. I don't have any problems with rich or lean mixtures. The engine runs perfect. Heavily loaded in 90 degree ambient, I have seen the water temp get up to about 170-180. Here is the real problem. If I tighten down the cap, and allow the pressure to build, which gets higher as we all know when you shut off the machine, I get a little coolant forced into the cylinder. Now keep in mind, I just went through this engine completely, sleeved the block, new pistons, rings, gaskets, etc.. Did everything exactly by the book. If I leave the cap loose, I have no problem whatsoever. I know this is an automotive cap, which probably has a 10-14 lb. spring, which is too much, and unecessary for this machine. If the original cap had a spring at all, I bet it was very low, probably 2-3 lbs.
Anyway, just thought somebody might know what it should be. Thanks for the feedback. By the way, any idea where I could find a tach, bracket and cable. That's all I need to have everything back original. Thanks.

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Steve - IN

07-25-2002 10:44:51




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Scott, 07-25-2002 10:11:37  
Scott,

The pressure meter in my left thumb says you're about right. I can compare my cap to an auto cap rated at 7 psi, and the JD cap is a lot weaker.

What you explained about your water temp and pressure makes a lot of sense. Anything is better than washing the cylinders in anti freeze.

I checked in to getting a tach for my 60 at my JD dealer this past winter (mine never had one). If memory serves, they could still get the cable for about 40 bucks or so. The tach was in the $120.00 area. Don't think they had the tach bracket anymore, so figured I'd have to pull out the tin snips and sheet metal bender for that job part of it, or start calling junk yards. The drive assembly was even bigger bucks, so I put the idea on the back burner. There's a tach on ebay now that says NOS. If it really is, and it's set to zero, might be a nifty thing to mark your rebuild.

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Scott

07-25-2002 11:00:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Steve - IN, 07-25-2002 10:44:51  
My 60 has the drive, but who knows what happened to everything else. I work for an equipment OEM, so I can get an aftermarket unit cheap. I was just hoping to keep everything original. My dealer says he can't get the tach. He seldom has anything I need in stock. But they get it fairly quickly. They rape you on the shipping though. Just paid $7 shipping on a $3 gasket. You don't happen to have anything with a picture of the original tach setup? At least I can copy the bracket and get the right diameter. I don't remember seeing much in my ITT manual. By the way, if you ever decide to ring your 60, the end gap dimensions in the manual are wrong.

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Steve - IN

07-25-2002 12:39:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Scott, 07-25-2002 11:00:39  
Scott,

Understand on freight. That's the nature of the beast, though, I'm afraid. You can send it by the post office and lose half of your stuff, or use UPS or FedEx to make sure it gets there. If you ship a half pound of electronics that costs 200 bucks instead of a gasket, it's not such a bad deal.

I've seen a tach picture somewhere. Just don't remember where. I'll see if I can dig it out.

I've got a JD service manual -- dealer happened to have one. What does ITT say, and what's right?

Steve

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Scott

07-25-2002 13:08:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Steve - IN, 07-25-2002 12:39:41  
ITT says .004" ring end gap. Ain't no way you would ever get them in the bore and they would seize up and soon as they started expanding. It is just a typo. Should be .040". I bet there has been a few poor fellers who didn't know any better and had lots of troubles.
By the way, I have a good set of .125" over pistons that I took out of this engine if you know someone who needs them. I don't have any use for them. I sleeved the block back to standard.

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Steve - IN

07-26-2002 12:48:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Scott, 07-25-2002 13:08:25  
Scott,

.004 is basically no gap. Even a Hoosier guy like me might catch on that ain't gonna work! The JD service manuals are a bit easier to decypher than the ITT ones. I've got an ITT manual for our 1020 JD. Never found a glaring mistake like you did, but I think I'd get a JD svc manual as well if I ever feel the urge to really dig in to it. Actually, that reminds me. I do have a spare JD service manual for a 60. It's for a standard or an orchard (forget which) so some things are a little different from our row crops, but most things are dead on. It's yours for a song if you ever need it.

I know one other guy who has a 60. I'll check him to see if he has any rebuild plans. Mine has good compression and isn't burning any oil. I'm a firm believer in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" so I'll take a pass right now.

Here's hoping we both get to put in some time on our 60's this weekend. They say it's only going to the high 80's here, so the old poppers probably won't even break a sweat.

Steve

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Scott

07-26-2002 13:03:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Steve - IN, 07-26-2002 12:48:14  
If you ever decide to really dig in to your 60, let me know. I can save you allot of head scratching, frustration and money. I have been a mechanic all my life, but didn't have anyone to rely on for guidance, so I had to figure it all out myself. Anyway I would be glad to share it with you. I was on my 60 for several hours last night cause I have to go to Buckeye land for the weekend.
I do play several intruments. What song would you like for the extra manual? Scott

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G Taylor

07-24-2002 19:45:13




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 Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Scott Caudill, 07-24-2002 10:06:34  
What serial number? It makes a difference. Many people fall into the trap of thinking" if too hot wrecks engines ,then cooler must be better." Isn't so. Fuel consumption, oil dillution,cylinder wall/piston wear and port sooting increases in cold engines. Replace the missing shutters and free up the system or convert to the later "thermostat in the upper pipe" system. Temp should be at least 180F and 195F is better. The parts manual has all the info & serial number breaks.

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Steve - IN

07-24-2002 12:00:10




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 Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Scott Caudill, 07-24-2002 10:06:34  
Scott,

Most guys talk about their 60's running way cool -- under 180 or so. If that's the case with yours, don't run any pressure. Why put undue stress on an old radiator, pipes, etc. I still have the old cap on mine, and wasn't aware they were offering choices. I'd choose zero.

BTW, nice picture of your 60 on the site.

Steve



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sara and dave

07-24-2002 19:44:59




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 Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Steve - IN, 07-24-2002 12:00:10  
scott if you look in your service mannuel it should tell you.good luck!!!!



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Scott Caudill

07-24-2002 12:19:15




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 Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Steve - IN, 07-24-2002 12:00:10  
Steve,
Thanks for the feedback. I agree. My 60 seldom gets above 125 deg. Somewhere along the line someone put an automotive type cap on it, which has about a 7 pound spring in it. I run the tractor without the cap fully tightened, so the spring doesn't come into play. If your 60 has the original cap, does it have a spring at all?



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Steve - IN

07-24-2002 15:55:53




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 60 Radiator Cap in reply to Scott Caudill, 07-24-2002 12:19:15  
Scott,

That is cool, 125? My gauge starts at 140.

Anyway, couldn't remember about the cap, so went out and looked. Yes, it does have a spring. A weak one, though. It's never gotten hot enough to come close to boiling over, or lose coolant -- even at 90 degrees and working for three or four hours.

The guys at the link below have original type caps for $37.50... and your 60 looks good in every other way I can see. Might want to consider it.

Steve

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