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Lenn

07-22-2002 13:20:10

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About evry 20th start the starter makes a grinding noise as if the starter gear is not engaging the flywheel. Stepping on pedal 3-5 times then it engages and starts.
Is there something to adjust or lube?
Help,thanks.
Lenn

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KEN

07-22-2002 18:48:51

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Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to Lenn, 07-22-2002 13:20:10

I had the same problem on my 60.It was the starter bendix,did'nt look bad at all but sometimes growled like crazy. It was bad on the inside of the big round part of the bendix.When i put in high compression pistons it really showed up worse then.You might try that first it's the least expensive.

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Lenn

07-22-2002 19:00:47

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Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to KEN, 07-22-2002 18:48:51

Thanks Ken,the bendix was a little sticky,i wd it and it seems to work better.
I`ll try it for a while and see.
Lenn

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G-MAN

07-22-2002 14:02:49

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Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to Lenn, 07-22-2002 13:20:10

It sounds to me as if your flywheel ring gear has a bad spot in it - where the teeth are nearly gone. When the engine stops rotating with this area of the gear in register with the starter, the starter drive won't engage it properly, but just move it a little and then spin. After 3 to 5 times of this, it will get to some better teeth and go ahead and crank the engine - momentum will carry the bad spot past the starter until the engine starts. Remove the flywheel cover and turn the flywheel - I'm betting you will find a bad spot. The flywheel can be removed to replace the ring gear. It's a fairly straightforward procedure, but I recommend getting an I&T or JD service manual, as you will have to reset your crank endplay when you reinstall the flywheel. It's probably also a good idea to remove the starter and inspect the teeth on the starter drive gear as they are probably chewed up some, too. The drive should also be replaceable without complete starter replacement. There's really no sense in having new teeth on the flywheel engaging bad teeth on the starter. Good luck with the 60.

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Lenn

07-22-2002 14:25:25

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Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to G-MAN, 07-22-2002 14:02:49

I was afraid of that,was hoping there was a adjustment.
I`ll pull the cover and have a look,thanks for the info G-MAN.
When you said good luke with the 60 are you telling me they are prone to having problems,this is my first 60. Its really a clean tractor,i posted a pic. on the photo section of this board a couple days ago.
Lenn

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G-MAN - Good looking 60, Lenn - I like the wide front!

07-22-2002 14:42:04

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Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to Lenn , 07-22-2002 14:25:25

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07-22-2002 14:49:49

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Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to G-MAN - Good looking 60, Lenn - I like the wide front!, 07-22-2002 14:42:04

Hi G-MAN, Thought I would head up to Pawnee saturday with the 38 G for a little fun, but plans have gone aray! Looks like we'll be heading to Sac & Fox for the Lorrie Morgan Consert instead. Oh well! Maybe Axtell's pull will work out

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G-MAN

07-22-2002 14:56:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to DP, 07-22-2002 14:49:49

Hey DP - I won't be at Pawnee on Saturday either, although we will probably be there Friday night, if they're having the pickup pulls then - I think my uncle is going to pull his '02 Dodge Cummins. I'll probably be in the truck with him, so if you happen to be there Friday night, look for a white and gray Quad-cab and looks us up. I'd like to meet you. Is Axtell the next week? I don't think I'll be able to get there if it is. One of these days I'm going to have to stop screwing around on weekends and start working on my own tractor, or I'll be a spectator again next summer, lol. I can only go to so many pulls to watch and keep calling it research, lol.

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07-22-2002 14:58:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to G-MAN, 07-22-2002 14:56:08

Axtell's is august 10th in trhe afternoon.

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G-MAN

07-22-2002 15:29:06

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to DP, 07-22-2002 14:58:59

Dang it - gotta go to a friend's wedding that day, lol. There's always too much going on in the summertime, and you inevitably miss things you want to attend by going to things you need to attend. Any other pulls after Axtell?

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Lenn

07-22-2002 15:43:26

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to G-MAN, 07-22-2002 15:29:06

Thanks guys for the nice comments,i pulled the cover and the teeth look pretty good no one spot that there bad. The gear on the flywheel has been reversed at one time.
Now that i see how it works maybe i`m not steping hard enough on the pedal. Once in a while it stops in a place so when i push the pedal moving the starter gear over to flywheel it hits between the teeth,then of course it will grind. I sprayed some w-d on the starter gear it seemed to be a little sticky. Any more thoughts.
Thanks.

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G-MAN - More info.......

07-22-2002 16:04:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to Lenn , 07-22-2002 15:43:26

Lenn, I checked the service manual and it does indeed mention the chamfer on the teeth being toward the starter. It sounds to me like you will need to replace the gear - flipping it around must have been a band-aid repair for someone - or reinstall it correctly if it is still serviceable. The gear is still available from Deere as part #A3323R. It's a little expensive at $210.19 list, but probably worth it in the long run, as it will save a lot of starter drives. You might also be able to locate a good used one, but they might want to sell you the entire flywheel. If it were me, I would go with the new as you will have a good warranty and the dealer will likely copy the service manual pages for you so you'll have the proper info on installing it and the flywheel. I still recommend obtaining the manuals, though. If you find that the starter drive gear is bad too, the drive is also still available from Deere. Part #1874133 - $73.43 list. Providing the rest of the starter is in good shape (you can inspect the internals when you disassemble it to replace the drive), I would just install the drive. If the rest looks questionable, a rebuilt starter might be the cheaper option in the long run. Hope this helps. Good luck with the 60.

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Lenn

07-22-2002 16:14:42

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to G-MAN - More info......., 07-22-2002 16:04:43

Ok thanks,i`m sure there is a chamfer on them teeth,unless someone filed them in there,and the teeth are wore on the other side so it must of been reversed.If it continues to give me trouble i guess its time to spend more money.

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G-MAN

07-22-2002 15:52:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to Lenn , 07-22-2002 15:43:26

If that gear has been reversed, you may need to replace it. I can't remember for sure, as it's been a while since I looked at one, but isn't there a taper on the ring gear teeth to allow the starter teeth to engage easier? Most ring gears are manufactured in that manner, to keep the starter gear from simply "bouncing off" the ring gear. If the gear has been flipped around, that taper wouldn't be there and the starter gear would have to hit the ring gear just right to engage the first time. You might also check your crank end play and set it to .005" to .010" if it's excessive. I would imagine that if it were very loose, the starter might not be able to engage enough of the gear or it might shove the crank over if the teeth met head on as the drive travelled outward. You should also be able to adjust the rod running down to the starter to take up some of the slop in the rod ends and pins. That will allow the starter to engage with less travel of the foot pedal. I'll do some more looking in the 60 service manual and get back to you if I find anything else.

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Lenn

07-22-2002 16:01:26

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to G-MAN, 07-22-2002 15:52:32

There doesn`t seem to be any appreciable end play,when i step on the pedal it shoves it clear over to full engagement. The teeth seem to be tapered on that side of the gear also,i see besides sliding the gear on the starter does turn in one direction,i wonder if that was to allow the gear to engage more easily,and it was sticky.
I`ll give her a try now that i lubed that a little and i`ll step on the pedal more firmly.
Thanks again.
Lenn

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G-MAN

07-22-2002 14:37:32

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Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to Lenn , 07-22-2002 14:25:25

I don't know of any problems with the 60, besides seeing several with cracked manifolds, which happens to a lot of old tractors. I actually own one myself, and plan on doing at least a partial restoration after I'm done with my G. I've recently read where 60s can be turned into a pretty decent puller, so I might go that route, although it will basically be stock. The good luck thing was just common courtesy, I guess, lol. I'll check the photos and see if I can spot your tractor.

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Lenn

07-22-2002 15:47:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to G-MAN, 07-22-2002 14:37:32

Woops,stuck that last post in the wrong place,arn`t used to the board ,sorry.

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zane

07-23-2002 19:14:53

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to Lenn , 07-22-2002 15:47:00

Lenn: If the ring gear and pinion look good, your problem could be in the contact button mounted on the starter motor--especially if it's a replacement contactor. If it makes too early, the pinion will not be engaging before the starter's up to speed. To confirm, install a temporary solenoid w/push button in the battery/starter circuit so you can push the pedal ahead of time to engage the pinion before starting the motor with the button. (The pedal will "bottom out" when the pinion's engaged.)

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Lenn

07-24-2002 05:58:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to zane, 07-23-2002 19:14:53

Thanks zane,after spraying wd all over the starter gear i can`t seem to get it to malfunction again. While watching the motion of everything with the cover off it seems the gear is fully ingaged before it contacts the stater switch. I see what your saying and if it acts up again i`ll try what you said. Of course when one is standing there watching it wouldn`t think of malfunctioning so ya could see it happen.ha.
Lenn

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Lenn,Final Analysis

07-24-2002 13:18:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 starter question? in reply to Lenn , 07-24-2002 05:58:25

After another inspection there is definately a chamfer on the flywheel teeth as mentioned in a earlier post. Being mine had been reversed there was no longer a chamfer,so with trusty side-grinder i installed a chamfer on the teeth.
The importance of this chamfer is on those occasions that the flywheel stops in a position that the starter gear doesn`t line up with the flywheel gear,that chamfer allows the starter gear to rotate into mesh with the flywheel gear.
That at least gentlemen seems to have been the case with mine and hopefully i have it fixed for a while.
Thanks for all the replies,you have a nice board going here.
Lenn

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