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JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!..

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JD Guy in Ne

07-18-2002 17:12:49




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being the 2nd largest populated county (Lancaster) in NE., you would think JD would want to maintain it's image and goodwill, but apparently not! Closing this dealership makes no sense at all, and now it will be even harder for us farmers and collectors to get our tractors and machinery serviced in a professional and timely manner. This dealership had some of the finest parts and service personel that I've had the privelege to work with. Not only does this decision make no sense, it affects the lives of the dedicated people that have worked there for so long. Now it will take more time and expense for us to have equipment hauled to a factory dealership for service. Apparently the top management at JOHN DEERE considers the bottom line more important than the customers needs, and this will forever tarnish the image and respect I once had for this company...

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Mike, Here's my 2 cents

07-22-2002 11:28:41




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
This happened in our county about 15 years ago. Deere wasn't going to let the owner pass the dealership to his son. Now we have no JD dealer in our county. We have to travel roughly 40 to 50 miles away to service our JD equipment. Many people have gone to different brands in our area because the dealers are much closer.

I don't know if this is true to the current day but Deere's goal was once in Iowa to have 4 main dealerships. One in the NE, SE, SW, and NW. Each of these dealers would have multiple satelite stores around. The problems I see that is distance to get parts and sevice and "Good ol competition".
Just think if you lived in SW Iowa and the SW dealer was a crook or provided poor parts and service. You would have to travel halfway across the state to get parts and service from another dealer. The worst thing that I can see is that those 4 dealerships could come together on what to sell their new-used equipment for and along with shop rates. This would cause a severe monopoly in the marketplace for buying new or used JD equipment.

Everybody that has said that JD is only worried about their bottom line is very right. I heard from a dealer during the intoduction of the 20 series tractors. When the new CEO was talking to the dealers at the dealer meeting he was is only worried about the shareholders and how much money needed Deere for profit to make the sharholders invest more money into Deere. The CEO never talked about product demand or trend or what product should the dealer should be pushing harder on and not so hard on. Overall this dealer felt he was in a stockholder's meeting not a dealer's meeting.

I was wanting to work for deere. But the CEO's idea worrying about stockholders more than employees seems to me not to be a good place for a long term career. When the company shows a loss that's no big deal, layoff some employees for cheaper ones, then we (Deere) will show a profit and that will make our stockholder's happy.

I think the CEO's Thinking could hurt Deere in the long run. Deere could loose good engineers which could lead to a crap product. If they keep on eliminating good dealers it would be hard to sell their products in certain areas.

Deere has to remember what makes their company is the dealers and the farmers and other people that go into those dealers to buy John Deere products and services. It would be hard to show a profit to the stockholders if Deere lost their Dealer and customer base.

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tubba_JD420_ny

07-20-2002 17:59:26




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
that type of corporate attitude was the downfall of IH.



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ChuckW

07-20-2002 11:27:05




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
I've always wondered why John Deere didn't run all the dealerships(direct) and farm all the profitable farm land.



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ChuckW

07-20-2002 11:26:25




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
I've always wondered why John Deere didn't run all the dealerships(direct) and farm all the profitable farm land.



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Steve - IN

07-19-2002 15:04:20




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
Seems to me that if we could peg the price of beans, corn and wheat to the consumer price index, we wouldn't have these problems with Ag dealers disappearing.

We haven't though. Crop prices have stayed the same for what.. 10 to 15 years? Try selling that program to your local medical insurance company. The farmers who survive have generally done so by getting bigger and more efficient -- and travelling all over creation. The number of USA farms has decreased about 3 per cent per year over the past 40 years. How can you expect the number of Ag dealers to stay the same when their market keeps shrinking? 40 acres and a tractor has become 400 acres and 2 or 3 tractors. Not 10 tractors. 50 years ago, nearly 100% of JD's sales were Ag equipment. Now it's only 44%. Industrial and lawn care stuff is over half the company. Things change. I'm not always happy about it either. JD stock lost 2.63% of its value today. A quarter of a billion dollars of JD's value gone in ONE day! Don't like that either. Guys in Moline are probably nervous. There's more pressure than ever to grow and get those payments collected from dealers. Nobody in their right mind wants to put people out of business. But nobody stays in business if they don't get paid.

I'd much rather be living on a 160 acre farm like my Grand Dad, and doing business with the small local JD or IH dealer. But there isn't a small farm there anymore, the local JD dealer has disappeared, and new Farmalls don't exist. I don't think it can ever be that way I remember again. Last car I bought was from a "dealer" that owns 123 stores in the USA and 66 stores in England. They were all bought from family owned dealerships. Our JD dealer owns 5 stores spread out over 100 miles or so. Same story, smaller scale. What do they say? .. success has many parents but failure is always an orphan.

I doubt this consolidation trend is going to change anytime in the near future. And if you think the Ag business is changing way too fast, you haven't talked to anybody lately who's spent the last 30 years in the electronics or computer business. Sorry for another sermon, but sitting here doing this is better than watching the stock market melt down.

Steve

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G-MAN

07-19-2002 15:48:50




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 Re: Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to Steve - IN, 07-19-2002 15:04:20  
Excellent post, Steve. My uncle summed the whole farming situation up pretty well for me a few years ago. He said that farming is the only business where you pay retail for all your inputs, and get wholesale for your product - completely backward of a regular business. I think it's nothing short of a crime the way crop prices are. I know that there are farmers that love to collect the government check, but by and large they would rather be paid fairly for what they raise and be able to raise what they want, without big brother sticking his nose in. In my mind, we should build a fence around the entire nation, grow the crops we need to feed our population first, and then let the other countries buy whatever surplus we decide to grow on our terms. If they don't like it, they can learn to grow their own food. There is no reason whatsoever that we have to buy any food from another country, except we feel obliged to "trade" with other nations so they can make some money off of our losses. Trade should be one of ours for one of theirs, not one of ours for five of theirs - that's where the defecits come from. Our other main problem is way too many idiots in all these cities that think there groceries just appear on the shelves. They have no idea what is involved with getting their food to that point. They go out and buy a $40,000 SUV and a $300,000 home and don't think anything of it, but God forbid it if they would have to pay another quarter for a gallon of milk. Maybe when all of the farmers are out of business, and they have to learn how to grow their own food and raise their own meat, they'll wise up a little bit, but more than likely they'd sit there and starve to death waiting for the government to come spoon-feed them. The media certainly don't help the situation, either, as they don't know a tractor from a combine. I heard Rush Limbaugh spouting off about the farm economy and the farm program payments a while back. Normally I agree with pretty much everything Rush says, but he has no clue what the business of farming is all about, just like 95% of the rest of this country's population. Well, I guess that will conclude my little sermon.

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Steve - IN

07-19-2002 22:55:15




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 Re: Re: Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to G-MAN, 07-19-2002 15:48:50  
G-Man,

I'm probably making too much of this, but it's interesting. We have an ever decreasing part of our population using an ever decreasing portion of the country's land and producing more than enough to feed an ever increasing number of people. That's the biggest success story in human history. Yet we're griping about it.

I'm afraid that even if we did wall off imports, we're too good at farming for it to make much of a difference. Farm productivity increases could still supply enough to still keep the prices down. There's not a lot of political support for farm subsidies now much less tariff barriers. Farmers are a decreasing population. Those urban SUV owners have more voting power any day. Other problem is, big tariffs just generate retaliation from other countries. Case in point: 1930 Hawley-Smoot tariffs. Biggest tariffs ever in US history. Result was more foreign tariffs in retaliation. So a little depression in 1930 grew to be a much bigger depression throughout the 30's.

If we could get other countries to be honest and lower tariffs like we do, there would be far less of a problem. Case in point: Japan. Lots of little farms tiny farms, probably lots of little Kubota dealers as well. The Japanese made it a political problem to import rice or much of anything else, including John Deeres. So they still have bunches of tiny inefficient farms -- and they pay 5 times what we pay for a bowl of rice. Another example is Europe, the EU. Food costs about the same there in absolute terms, but they have huge farm subsidies and government production limits. The result is more taxes. A gallon of gas there costs 6 bucks. Their crude oil costs the same as ours, the big difference is in taxes. Plus, you get 70 and 80 per cent income tax rates and 15 per cent sales taxes. And we think we're screwed up? You might remember how they were fire bombing McDonalds joints in France over tariffs we put on their truffles. Truffles. Who cares? Guess that's the thanks we get for pulling their bacon out of the fire twice last century.

If the playing field was level in the rest of the world, US farmers could probably come close to feeding the world's population. We wouldn't solve the buy retail and sell wholesale problem. But US taxpayers would still have cheap food and little or no taxes for farm subsidies. Farmers wouldn't have government types in their face ( but they'd probably have just as many people employed at USDA). Also, you wouldn't see charities moaning about hunger in XYZ country. Nobody could claim their wasnt enough food in the world. They're starving there because of the clowns who run XYZ country and steal people blind in the process. It has nothing to do with the zero growth or "sustainable" growth idiots. The only people who think that are the ones who never understood that Thomas Malthus, the original starvation economist, was proven wrong by John Deere himself 150 years ago.

Besides import tariffs and local politics elsewhere, our other problem is the strong dollar. That shouldn't be. We have huge trade deficits, the dollar should go way down and our farm exports should be much cheaper. By all rights we should drive South American, Japanese and European farmers out of business. There'd be fewer Mercedes and Lexus SUV's coming in but more John Deeres and Chevy's and Nebraska corn being exported. Heck, Moline could probably afford to float a lot more local JD dealers thru tough times on what they'd make in increased exports! The thing is though, capital keeps flowing in to the USA. Other currencies get traded for US dollars and the dollar stays strong. Most efficient and stable economy, best growth rates, and most open and honest accounting system keeps money flowing in here. The recent scandals here are a drop in the bucket compared to the way they cook the books offshore. By US standards, half of Japan should be in bankruptcy. An Enron or World Com can't hold a candle to the messes and bad loans they cover up in Japan, S. Korea, and a lot of other counties.

All the above boils down to politics offshore screwing up our economy, and us not doing enough in our own self interests here at home. Those urban eaters you talk about don't want to pay taxes for farm subsidies, and they surely don't want to pay more for food. They vote. It's not going to happen. Some enviro types would just as soon see all the food imported. Just like some don't mind if all the oil is imported. Oil imports have generated rich fanatics trying to kill us. All imported food would be an even greater weapon.

I don't think we'll ever change the rest of the world into the USA. In a way we're victims of our own success. The most efficient farmers in the world -- here in the USA -- still need subsidies because the far less efficient farmers in other parts of the world are effectively getting much bigger subsidies. Both directly from their governments and from our currency.

I guess you could have lots of local JD dealers like they have local Kubota dealers in Japan if you didn't mind living in a house the size of two of our size bedrooms, have an economy that hasn't grown at all in the past 10 years, and have the fastest growing suicide rate in the world. Or you could be a European and pay 6 bucks for a gallon of gas, and effectively lose the freedom of travel we enjoy. All in all, if it means giving up a few dealers or a few whatever else we remember from the past for the sake of the growth, prosperity and freedom we have now; we're probably still way ahead of the game. This is still the best place to live, still the shining city on the hill to the rest of the world. We do know that most of the rest of the world still wants to come here to live. Maybe guys like you and me shouldn't complain as much about it as we do. But then we were the first people in the world to realize we had a God given right to complain. A liberty like that needs to be exercised and held dear! More of a rant than a sermon this time. Maybe we should all go out and buy a tune up set for our JD poppers from our local dealer this weekend. Show our support -- two spark plugs at a time!

Steve

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Don

07-19-2002 12:47:03




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
We talked to a lady, whose husband had been a JD dealer, for over 40 years. They pulled his dealership. She stated, when they first became a JD dealer, the people who managed JD treated them like family. As years passed by younger management came in, and was interested only in how much profit they could make. She commented that small dealers were the ones who helped build the JD company. There was a small reputable AC dealership located in the country not too far from here. They were told they had to move to a county seat and build a large building with so much inventory. They were unable to keep afloat so there was no dealership at all in the whole county. Does that make sense?

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G-MAN

07-19-2002 13:27:56




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 Re: Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to Don, 07-19-2002 12:47:03  
Don, it doesn't make sense to those who are negatively affected by it, but it does make sense in a business sense. At one time you could find a JD dealer every 20 miles. That was also when guys farmed their home place and maybe some fields very close to it, and weren't going all over God's creation to farm other fields. Guys dealt with their local dealer pretty much no matter what, never even considering driving 100 miles to look at tractors somewhere else. Now you have farmers travelling all over looking for the bottom dollar deal, and usually the dealers are losing money selling new equipment because they're banking on their parts and service departments to carry the dealership. Competition is getting fierce enough now, that JD would much rather have one strong dealership, or a big dealer with some smaller satellite stores to cover a large area, rather than small dealerships in every other town. It seems to me that JD is just finally getting around to doing what other large companies started years before. How many small town car dealerships do you see any more? I was born in a southeast Nebraska town that had about 1500 people or so when I was small. Even at that time (late 70s/early 80s), there was an IH dealership, an Allis dealership (owned by my great uncle), and a Chevrolet dealership that was tied in with the IH dealership (owned by my uncle's father). Now there isn't anything like that in the town. It's sad to see the dealerships go away, but I can tell you as a technician, that it's getting to the point that it's hard to find good service and parts personnel to keep the doors open. Hardly anybody wants to work on this stuff anymore. I could have spent the same amount of time in the same tech school I attended studying computer programming or something, and work in an air-conditioned office everyday for way more money than I make doing this. But I do it because I like it.

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steve-ohio

07-19-2002 20:10:23




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 Re: Re: Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to G-MAN, 07-19-2002 13:27:56  
here where i live within 15 miles of me i have 3 John Deere dealerships(2 owned by the same person), 1 massey ferguson/hesston, 1 new holland, and a case dealerships. we used to have another ford/newholland dealership but they closed last year. at all the john deere and the massey dealerships the parts people are great to work with and if there truly isn't a part availible anymore they will look for it aftermarket for me. but around here all the dealerships are building new buildings and expanding reguarly.

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G-MAN

07-19-2002 10:56:21




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
I would be that Deere had something to do with it, at least in part - regardless of whatever factors were involved. If Deere wanted that dealership to be there badly enough, they would find a way to keep it there, whether it be through selling it to someone else or whatever. Deere is in business to make money, just like every other business. If the dealership wasn't performing up to Deere's standards, they can easily pull the plug. Deere doesn't own the bulding, but they own the sign out front - literally. I guarantee that you will never know all of the factors involved in the dealership closing. Everybody involved will have a slightly or comletely different story. It sucks, but that's just the way it is.

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Dale

07-19-2002 06:23:00




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
We had 3 different small dealers close within the past 5 years but after time the were re-opened by a large dealer group and back going strong.



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Lee

07-18-2002 21:23:09




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
Yes companies do play a big part in closing down dealerships! Mobile Oil CO shut down my buddy's dealership , because he would not spend mega bucks on new bldgs. & etc.. Nice small town J.D. dealership was shut down because owner would not spend mega bucks...this dealership had employees that had the knowledge to work on our old tractors. there gone forever...



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Steve - IN

07-18-2002 20:39:02




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
JD Guy,

JD didn't own the dealership. They probably had little or no part in the decision you're upset about. In all likelihood, the dealer himself decided to close down. Like any other maker of things, JD needs to get paid for what it ships out on some kind of timely basis. But I seriously doubt that JD pulled the plug. They absolutely want to have good people like you describe giving good service and generating more sales for the equipment they make.

Maybe bad estate planning had the Feds end up owning 65% of the dealer's business after the owner died, so the heirs decided to throw in the towel. Happens on farms all the time. Why not a farm equipment dealer? Whatever it was, I seriously doubt JD management did it to hurt you.

What I do know for sure is that JD itself lost money for 6 of the last 9 to 10 months. Things have been tough in the Ag economy. A company that is shelling out more than it's taking in cannot afford to do things just to maintain its image. You know that's true from the way you run your own household. Any company is nothing more than a big household. Ultimately JD and that dealer have to do right by the people who own the respective companies just as you have to do right by your own family.

We've seen the same thing happen here in Indiana. Large population counties aren't the best places to sell Ag tractors. If they were, you'd see a JD dealer on every block in Manhatten -- New York, not Kansas. On the other hand, a good dealer from around there might move in and open up a branch in the same building to make a good income selling lawn and utility tractors -- and keep you supplied in JD parts and service for Ag tractors in the bargain. That's also happened here in Indiana -- really close to where I live. Market forces aren't always kind, and they aren't always immediately rational, if you farm, you surely know that ten times over. In the end they're the best way to allocate capital and resources.

Step back a bit and compare that long green line to CNH or AGCO or anybody else. It doesn't take much to see who has done the best job over the long haul. I'm not JD management, nor employee, or a JD dealer, nor a JD dealer empoyee. But I am a JD stockholder. So I am putting my money where my mouth is. Those guys in Moline have built one of the best run and most respected companies in America over the past 100 or more years. That one dealer may cause you some temporary pain, but in the long term, you're still on the right track.

keep the faith... end of "green" sermon...

Steve

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steve

07-19-2002 05:53:08




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 Re: Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to Steve - IN, 07-18-2002 20:39:02  
I too have money invested at "the long green line" but as a fifth generation "long green line owner ,operator and fixer upper I believe that Deere has forgot who put them where they are.Iknow that deere had aLOT to do with loosing our local dealer or the court case was a sham and the papers printed all lies.Just sign me still a deere fan but looking around steve



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Jiff

07-18-2002 19:49:18




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
Is this the dealer at Waverly?



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zane

07-18-2002 19:16:31




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
Did JD close the dealership, or did the dealer close the dealership? Perhaps it wasn't profitable. Sentiment doesn't pay the rent unless it's for your mistress.



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Bus Driver

07-18-2002 17:50:15




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
IH did that in the late 70's to the 2 dealers nearest to me. One had too little volume- farm equipment was sideline to heavy trucks- and the other had lot too small for IH ideas. We see where IH went. Husqvarna is doing the same to small dealers now.



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John M

07-18-2002 17:40:12




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 Re: JOHN DEERE closes local dealership!!.. in reply to JD Guy in Ne, 07-18-2002 17:12:49  
Sounds tragic at the moment, but when the "dust settles" there will be an opportunity for the owners/employees to reopen as an independent shop, parts outlet,(OEM & aftermarket) "jockey " new/used equip, and offer quality "short lines", without having a JD Territory Manager on their back.



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