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John Deere 50 running very cool

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Guy

07-17-2002 11:14:41




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Hello, just wondered what the normal operating temperature is for a John Deere 50? I put on a new guage from Antique Gauges and thought it wasn't working. Lowest temp it reads is 140 which it barely goes beyond. I haven't worked it alot but have had it out for 30 minute runs already and it just doesn't seem to get very warm. I warmed up the upper water pipe where the guage screws in with a propane torch and it goes right up so looks like the gauge is working. The water pipes don't seem to be terribly hot either. I guess I would rather have one run cool than hot, but I just wanted to make sure this is right. I don't have any louvers in the front of my radiator, it either never had them or somone removed them. Maybe my thermostat is staying open? The tractor is a 53. Thanks for any info.

Guy

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mike c.

07-18-2002 22:39:07




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 Re: John Deere 50 running very cool in reply to Guy, 07-17-2002 11:14:41  
First of all, I would make sure you have a functional thermostat system.

Secondly, my 50 just putting around for 30 min
may not bring it up to 150 even in 90 degree weather. However, I do a lot of moderate to heavy bush hogging with mine and after about 30 - 45
of work at 3/4 throttle it hovers around 190-200
and stays there.

Remember, these tractors hold a lot of water (7 gal.?) and they were made to be started up and worked for hours on end.

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Gerry

07-18-2002 05:06:34




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 Re: John Deere 50 running very cool in reply to Guy, 07-17-2002 11:14:41  
My 50 upper and lower water pipes get real warm after about 15-20 minutes. The temp gage just comes off the peg ( 140 ) about this time and gets about half way between 140 and 170 after about 35-40 minutes of light riding around. This tractor is new to me. Hope it helps....



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ChuckW

07-17-2002 14:32:02




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 Re: John Deere 50 running very cool in reply to Guy, 07-17-2002 11:14:41  
the later model 50's had a thermostate and pressure cooling system. They reach the thermostate temp after running a short time. The older ones had the siphon system, low pressure.



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G Taylor

07-18-2002 19:23:51




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 Re: Re: John Deere 50 running very cool in reply to ChuckW, 07-17-2002 14:32:02  
All 50's had water pumps and thermosaticaly controled cooling. Three different locations over the years however.



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Steve - IN

07-17-2002 12:54:56




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 Re: John Deere 50 running very cool in reply to Guy, 07-17-2002 11:14:41  
Guy,

I've got a '54 60 without shutters, when I first starting working it, my reaction was the same as yours.

Assuming you've checked out the shutter deal per G-Man's post and the thermostat is working OK; the idea of duct taping some heavy paper or card board or even trash bag plastic in front of the grille is a cheap and dirty fix.

Also, a few thoughts. My 60 has dramatically more coolant in its system than any 300 cu. in. car I know of. I think they weren't designed to run really hot -- more than 190 or so. A rich mixture can cool an engine. If you're seeing a fair amount of black smoke, you might try to lean it out a bit. Good motor oil does a better job of lubing and therefore the engine makes less friction and heat. I've seen a motor oil change drop the temp around 10 degrees on my 60. Same day, same ambient temperature.

best of luck

Steve

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G-MAN

07-17-2002 12:12:12




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 Re: John Deere 50 running very cool in reply to Guy, 07-17-2002 11:14:41  
Unless you take your tractor out and really work it, you probably won't get it much warmer. My gasoline 60 would never get above 160 or so, even when pulling steep hills when I would drive it on the road. These tractors were designed to run in the 190-200 degree range and it will take some work to get it there. EPC shows serial numbers 500001 to 5016615 having the thermostatically controlled shutters, so if your tractor is above that, it probably didn't have them. If it is below, they were removed. You could try covering the radiator partially with a piece of cardboard, etc and seeing if that will bring your temp up. It's really better for the engine to run in it's normal temp than too cool, just as overheating isn't good for the engine. You can remove and check your thermostat, or simply replace it if you have it out - pretty cheap insurance and they're not that much fun to get to. The thermostat could be functioning properly, as there is quite a bit of coolant in the system. As soon as it opens, the cool coolant in the radiator will quickly cool then engine back down and shut the thermostat. You would probably have to work it for some time for the system to become balanced enough to maintain a good operating temp.

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Guy

07-17-2002 11:16:42




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 Re: John Deere 50 running very cool in reply to Guy, 07-17-2002 11:14:41  
Wonder if I let out some of the coolant to make run a little warmer? I am not that worried about it, except I was told that Johnny's run smoother when they are warmed up and at normal operating temp. Just a thought...



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Charles

07-17-2002 12:11:55




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 Re: Re: John Deere 50 running very cool in reply to Guy, 07-17-2002 11:16:42  
Don't let out the coolant! It's there for a reason and if you lose enough to start raising the temp I guarantee there will be places in the block/head that are much hotter than the gauge says...

I have a 1953 50 also and it does not have a thermostat in the coolant pipe but instead a large 'stat mounted in the front of the lower rad tank that opens the radiator shutters.

If you don't have the thermostat (or it's no good, I don't think they are available any more), and no shutters, I would strongly recommend that you convert to a later design with the thermostat in the cooling pipes. Engine wear accelerates dramatically at operating temps below 160 degrees...

I can hit 180 with mine when bushhogging in heavy grass but have never worked it really hard to see how high it might go.

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