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Ted

06-26-2002 12:53:00




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Need info on The JD AR, i know nothing about the AR. What does the R stand for and why are they smaller than the A? Are they the same hp and do they have pto and hydraulic. I know of a 1951 that is for sale. I haven't seen it yet. What are they worth and what would be a reasonably offer? It's not restored but for what i hear not in to bad of shape, but that's a matter of opinion. What do i need to look for as to the condition and any problems with these models? What is the hp? Thanks in advance Ted.

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Ted

06-27-2002 18:22:08




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 Re: JD AR ? in reply to Ted, 06-26-2002 12:53:00  
Thanks for all the info on the AR fellows, very interesting. Had a friend look at the tractor for me and said it is in decent shape, new tires, all tin is there and not rusted. Motor isn't stuck but needs tuneup real bad. Tractor came from Canada. Only problem is he wants as much as one that's been restored, what should i offer? Help me out here guys, Thanks Ted.



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G-MAN

06-27-2002 18:35:08




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 Re: Re: JD AR ? in reply to Ted, 06-27-2002 18:22:08  
Another trip into the gray area of tractor values, lol. It's so hard to judge, not being able to see and drive the tractor, and even then I'm not the one to tell you what it's worth. It's also hard to compare prices against ones that are restored, because there are so many different versions of what "restored" means. It could very well be worth more than one that has been "restored" in a less than good way - poor paint job, oil leaks, etc. I guess you just have to follow your heart. Get an idea of what you want to and can spend and shoot him a lower figure. It's easy to go up in price, not so easy to come back down, lol. You know the saying. A tractor is only worth what the seller will take and the buyer will give. Maybe check the tractor values part of this site - there might be some listed in there. My two cents.

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Loren

06-27-2002 17:32:47




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 Re: JD AR ? in reply to Ted, 06-26-2002 12:53:00  
Interesting responses that the "R" stands for "Regular". Maybe it has had different meanings over time because I was recently at the local dealer looking for parts and they told me the "R" in my 1010RU means "Rowcrop".



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G-MAN

06-27-2002 18:27:57




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 Re: Re: JD AR ? in reply to Loren , 06-27-2002 17:32:47  
This is one of those rare occasions where both sides are correct. The R in your serial number does indeed stand for row-crop, and the U stands for utitility - making your tractor a 1010 row-crop/utility. However, in the letter series, the R did indeed stand for regular-tread. Keep in mind that the last of the ARs were built several years before your 1010, and the R is part of the model designation on those tractors, not the serial number. Like I said, Deere's alphabet soup can be interesting. The successors to the letter tractors (50, 60, etc) were originally to be called the BA, AA, etc. But this idea was quickly eliminated when people realized how much more confusing this could make things. Such as a AAR? Now it sounds like we're talking Mopars.

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Larry W.

06-27-2002 06:03:46




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 Re: JD AR ? in reply to Ted, 06-26-2002 12:53:00  
Here's my version! The "R" stands for regular. They made AR's and BR's. The D was never made in a row crop version, so it was always a D. The AR was not styled till 1949. Their are very few styled ones running around. More of the unstyled than styled. It is the same engine as the A of the same year, but the styled had a six speed transmission and no high/low range. They are a lot of fun in a slow race. The design for the styling was based on the R diesel, so they look a lot like little R's rather than a little D. That's the truth as I know it.

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G-MAN

06-27-2002 07:02:14




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 Re: Re: JD AR ? in reply to Larry W., 06-27-2002 06:03:46  
You're right about the R designation standing for Regular - I forgot to put that in both of my posts.



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Rman

06-26-2002 20:23:29




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 Re: JD AR ? in reply to Ted, 06-26-2002 12:53:00  
I bought a AR a couple months ago and i gave 1800 for it. It ran perfect but the fenders needed some work. But now it is all restored. It has the same hp as an A but they get the R from the R diesel. It is a standard A is about all it amounts to. It has hydraulics and pto. Has a pretty slow creeper gear. hope this helps



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G-MAN

06-27-2002 05:51:39




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 Re: Re: JD AR ? in reply to Rman, 06-26-2002 20:23:29  
Just wanted to clarify one thing - the R designation was always used by Deere after the model letter to signify that the tractor was standard-tread. There were unstyled ARs and BRs - long before the R diesel was ever produced, so that is not where they got the letter R. Deere also considered building a standard-tread variant of the G, which would have been known as the GR. Most people also don't know that the G was originally supposed to be called the F - hence the F prefix on most G part numbers - the name was changed at the last minute. The alphabet soup of JD letter-series tractors can be fairly interesting.

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Will P

06-27-2002 08:38:15




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 Re: Re: Re: JD AR ? in reply to G-MAN, 06-27-2002 05:51:39  
The reason for Deere not using the F for the G. Farmall had the F12, F14, F20 and F30. Deere didn't want to confuse people by having the F. So they named it G. But all the parts were ready to be cast with a F in the part number. To late to change.

Will P



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G-MAN

06-27-2002 10:46:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD AR ? in reply to Will P, 06-27-2002 08:38:15  
You are absolutely right. I'm glad they named it the G - F just doesn't have the same ring to it.



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Frank M.

06-27-2002 17:52:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD AR ? in reply to G-MAN, 06-27-2002 10:46:58  
I'm not doubting the story, and I read it somewhere else too. I'm curious though. Why did they use the H and M when IH had tractors using those letters too.



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G-MAN

06-27-2002 19:03:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD AR ? in reply to Frank M., 06-27-2002 17:52:53  
That's a good question, Frank, and I wish that I knew the answer. I did read the thing about the F and G somewhere, but I can't remember where exactly, Maybe Green Magazine or the Styled Letter Series book. I guess at that time it never even ocurred to me that that both JD and IH had Ms and Hs. Although the Deere H and M did come out a few years later than the G, and by that time I don't think the Farmall F series tractors were still in production, so maybe that was the deal. The Deere M and H were probably already in or nearly in production by the time Farmall rolled out their new tractors - 1939? Or maybe Deere just didn't want anyone associating the G with the F series alone, which I consider to be a real dinosaur of a tractor, whereas the Farmall Ms and Hs were very modern appearing and stylish tractors. Even unstyled JDs looked ten times better than the F series Farmalls, and there's guys out there calling two-cylinders crude and ugly. Go figure. I wish a good Deere historian could fill us in some more here.

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CLW

06-26-2002 15:24:48




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 Re: JD AR ? in reply to Ted, 06-26-2002 12:53:00  
As for as what to look for, on the left of this page under "Research & Info" click "Articles". It will help you.
CLW



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G-MAN

06-26-2002 13:34:20




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 Re: JD AR ? in reply to Ted, 06-26-2002 12:53:00  
I'm not a standard-tread tractor expert as I am more into the row-crops, but an AR is the standard-tread version of the A. Some call them wheatland tractors. I believe PTO and Power-trol were options, so you'll want to make sure the tractor has them. I believe the horsepower was probably the same as the A, so probably around 40. I don't think the ARs are exceptionally rare, unless you're talking about the unstyled versions, but they're not nearly as common as the row-crop As, either. Most of the wheatland tractors I've seen have been in reasonably good condition, as most were used in dry climates and open fieldwork - not as loader tractors or other applications that lead to lot's of sheet metal damage. However, the tractors were usually used for heavy tillage - plowing, disking, etc - so make sure the trans works properly and doesn't show signs of excessive wear, but I'm sure the tractors were built just as stout as the other two-cylinders, so that may not be a problem. The tractor will look like a scaled down JD R - so that will give you some indication of the appearance. I've seen several decent looking and restored ones advertised, and it seems that the prices have been in the $2500 to $4000 range.

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