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JD720/730 Followup questions

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Gary U. in NJ

06-20-2002 07:20:08




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This a followup to my query on purchasing a 720/730 - Thanks for the previous posts!!!

1st question - where can I go to learn of the advantages of one model over another?

Also, I've seen several in ads with the pony and with electric - are they interchangable?

What are the major problems I might encounter when I'm shopping for one?

Bang for the buck - how do they compare to some of the other models 630/70/60 mentioned?

Total cost - lets say you get one for the $4500(indicated in the previous post) what would you expect to be a realistic total for it to be reliably running/ restored?

Thanks for all the help!!!!

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Gary U. in NJ

06-22-2002 20:24:41




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 Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 07:20:08  
Great feedback, thank you so much!

Well I guess I better start sniffing some out. I am surprised on the hauling rates - was kinda figuring they would be higher.



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Mike Hanley

06-21-2002 19:43:07




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 Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 07:20:08  
We have two 730D working as our main tractors. The one we paid $2400 in 1977 localy and over the years the one we call the "big one" because of the over size tires And scales at 12,000#, 1500 hrs ago went to the J.D. dealer and the Complete rebuilt engine including a new lock tite flywheel and reground chank came in at $5000. Plus $1500 to rebuild the hyd pump and stop P.S. leaks. That one is now in the paint shop and I will post pix of it when it is done.

The other one we also bougth locally in 1996 for $2200 and $800 for a factory W.F. and have only had the injectors rebuilt for $350. but the day we got it home we spent $1000 on looks, Muffler air cleaner bowl batter box etc. and $1000 for new tires and rims. That one is pix in the photo section. go deep until you find the 730D, 630 with 35 loader and a 430 crawler with a 90 loader on a working cattle ranch.

We converted both to from 24V to 12V as we use them in the winter and now they start in the winter before they run out of battery. Cost under $300 each.

As to trucking we bought the 430 crawler in Penn and paid $400 to truck it to Wis. from a jockey in Indiana but it took over a month and it sat in Indiana for a month waiting til he had a load both ways from Wisconsin.

I would not part with our two 730D our 630 or our 430 crawler for anything else. Great tractors.

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Larry

06-21-2002 12:36:01




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 Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 07:20:08  
I would echo the previous posts. There is nothing like a 730 for comfort and power in a 2 cyl. I would strongly urge you to check it out well. It is certainly worth more to get a good one. I bought a decent running 730D 2 years ago for $2350. Now I have a great running tractor but between parts and labor and doing many things myself I have now spent over $7500. and I'm not done painting.



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Gary U. in NJ

06-20-2002 17:15:49




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 Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 07:20:08  
Once again - thanks for all the comments, they are truely appreciated!

Localy, I recieve the Lancaster Farmer - this is my main resouce for locating potential tractors. I'm sure there are other great resources which cover other areas of the country. My fear is that shipping costs to deliver a tractor to NJ will be high - is this true or not - how does everyone else do it at reasonable cost?



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Bob K

06-21-2002 09:51:36




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 Re: Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 17:15:49  
I live in East Texas. Last month, I purchased a 720LP row crop in MS for $2,800. This tractor had been repainted a few years ago and had a couple small leaks in the hydraulics and first reduction drive. After a little timing adjustment, it runs good and everything works. Mine was an exceptional deal as the owner's wife told him he couldn't get any more tractors until he sold some of his collection so he was willing to deal.

I searched the "Hauling Schedule" on the left sidebar and found a hauler who would deliver for $1 per mile which is about the going rate. As you call those haulers towards the top of the list, you will find they service geographic regions. Call until you find someone in your area. I had to wait three weeks for my tractor to fit into the hauler's schedule so you may have to wait if you want to save a few bucks. Since I didn't need the tractor right away (other than to get it out and play with it), I was willing to wait.

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KWB

06-20-2002 16:19:55




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 Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 07:20:08  
There is a lot of good information in the other posts. You should remember that these tractors were not purchased with light duties in mind. It's a rare one that hasn't spent most of its years being worked hard. I have two 720D's that I use to put up about 150-200 round bales a year on my hobby farm. I really like them, but both of them took a lot of time and money to turn into ready-to-go tractors. If possible, have someone who knows something about Two-cyl deisels help you check things out before you buy. You can spend enough just on the pony motor, the power steering, and the pto to nearly do a whole restoration on an "A". I don't mean to scare you off, I just think that you should really be aware of what you are getting before you spend your money. Good luck.

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G Taylor

06-20-2002 11:37:14




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 Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 07:20:08  
The 720 series has sheet metal in common with the 70 so parts are cheaper/easier to find. The 30 series is all on it's own. The later blackdash 20 series are improved over the greendash tractors. A standard tread tractor is a low to the ground robust looking brute. It's a matter of personal opinion however. The Oliver looking wide adjustable front end on a rowcrop looks it will break off on a bump. Looks tall,skinny & gangly too. A gas 720/730 is less common & pretty rare in a standard tread. Something that stands out at a show. Fuel economy is just fine by the way with approx 11 Hp per gallon per hour at full rated. There are diesels that can't touch those numbers.

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DP

06-20-2002 10:41:26




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 Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 07:20:08  
You've recieved some very good information in the posts below Gary. One addition to that I want to make is be sure to check for loose flywheels! They can be a very costly repair. I'm real partial to the 730's myself. Good luck with which ever you decide on! Don



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G-MAN

06-20-2002 07:46:47




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 Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 07:20:08  
I am far from an expert on the late number tractors, but I'll take a stab at your question. First off, there is little difference between the 720 and 730 tractors - they're even shown together in JD's parts books. Engine wise, I believe they are identical and have the same hp, etc. The main differences are cosmetic - with the 30 series steering shaft being under the hood, the steering wheel is at more of an angle, etc. There are some mechanical differences, and a 20/30 series expert can fill you in on those. As far as starting systems, they are not interchangeable without a lot of parts swapping - an entire parts tractor would be the way to go, but a lot of them have already been used for that purpose - to convert to electric start. There are companies making the brackets to convert a pony tractor to electric start. When looking at a tractor with pony start, make sure the pony is in decent condition, as they an be very expensive to rebuild - pistons and rods are very high dollar. Make sure the pony runs well, doesn't smoke excessively, etc. The electrical systems on the electric-start tractors are fairly complicated, so if you're looking at one of those, try to make sure the system is in good shape. If I were buying one, I think I would go for one with pony start, but that's just me. If you want to use it in extremely cold temps, the pony was and still is the best system for starting a diesel, because it allows extended cranking and pre-warming of the main engine. On the rest of the tractor, look at the same things you would look at on any other. Make sure the main engine starts and runs well, doesn't smoke excessively, doesn't slobber oil/fuel out of the exhaust (a good indication that engine work is needed - rings, injectors, etc). Make sure the transmission shifts well, doesn't make excessive noise, etc. Check the operation of the 3 point and PTO. Just generally look to see that the tractor operates as you want it to. Obviously, the 730 diesel is the biggest, most powerful diesel row-crop two banger Deere built, so it's going to be king of the hill, compared to 630/70/60 - plus the 60/620/630 were never available as diesels. The cost of restoration is another matter entirely. You might find one that is in excellent condition for $4500, or one that needs some TLC. Your appraisal of the tractor is going to determine what is a good deal. If you find one that you think is going to need some work (rings, etc) for $4500, and one that seems good and tight for $5000, your best bet would be to drop the extra $500, because you'll put that in the other one easily. With old tractors, it's real hard to say "this is the absolute most I am willing to spend", because you can miss out on some good deals that would cost only a little more in the long run. Unless you really like to tear into something and get greasy (as I do), your best bet is to buy the best one you can find, because it will usually be the cheapest in the long run. I'm a down to the last nut and bolt guy, while some just want a tractor they can paint and put new tires on - to each their own. I don't know of any major problems with shopping for one, as they seem to be fairly plentiful. I've never seen anyone really steal one, because most guys know what they're worth and a big portion of them are still working tractors. Sorry about the long post, but I hope it was of some value.

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Will P

06-20-2002 09:34:18




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 Re: Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to G-MAN, 06-20-2002 07:46:47  
One thing I can say is. The 720 rowcrop, like 90% were pony start, and the rest was electric. The oppisite is true for the 730. The 730 rowcrop, about 90% were electric start, and the rest was pony. Don't have the exact numbers. But I want a 730 pony.

Will P



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Gary U. in NJ

06-20-2002 07:57:52




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 Re: Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to G-MAN, 06-20-2002 07:46:47  
G-man:

Thanks!! great info can never be too long. Good clarification on the starting system. This would be my first attempt with diesel and sounds like good models to be with.

I sensed a difference in price between the 730 vs 720 is it substantial?



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Jhill

06-20-2002 10:12:49




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 Re: Re: Re: JD720/730 Followup questions in reply to Gary U. in NJ, 06-20-2002 07:57:52  
I see decent 720's in the $3000 to 5000 range 730's in the $ 3500 to 7500 range. Saw a really nice 730 sell for $6500 this spring it had been "restored" and was in regular use on a small farm. People are willing to pay a little more for a 730. If you are looking at an investment buy the best 730 you can afford.



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