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Does Green match with Red?

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Rich

06-01-2002 12:08:13




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My father was a Lutheran pastor. The first church I remember living at was out in the countryside of Western MN. The farmer south of our church had only John Deere. The farmer north of church had only IH.
The John Deere farmer would almost always give me a ride on the tractor if he saw me standing by the side of the field. The IH farmer never gave me a ride. So guess which color I grew up liking more?
In all fairness I think the John Deere farmer gave me rides because he used to be a teacher before he got into farming so he knew kids and what they wanted.
Now the irony. Decades later and because I married a farmer's daughter from the same area of Western MN (wouldn't this long story be even better if she was the daughter of the John Deere farmer or the IH farmer? But she wasn't) her relatives game me a pure red 1950 McCormick Deering WD-9 that no one wanted. We had it restored and in the process I learned a lot more about the lettered red tractor line than I ever knew about my favorite colored tractor line. So finally I get to my questions.
I have a chance to buy a 1947 John Deere A for $1300.00 obo. Would someone mind teaching me what that is? I mean where does it fit with other lettered John Deere tractors. I know it was the most popular John Deere. How does it compare with the red tractors? I mean which red tractor is its equal in horsepower, price, etc. If I buy it will it look good standing next to the WD-9? :)
I know the A is a row crop tractor. Is an AR the standard or regular version of the same engine? How about a John Deere R? Is that a more exact match to the WD-9 in horsepower? Was the R only built as a diesel? What about later years of the long running John Deere D? Was there a diesel D?
Well enough. I think you get the idea of what I'd like to learn. Thanks for reading all this.

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Some more info on your new A

06-01-2002 20:12:26




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 Re: Does Green match with Red? in reply to Rich, 06-01-2002 12:08:13  
It seems the ag equipment makers kept models around alot longer in these years than they do now. So the A and the rest realy changed alot over their production life. In 1947 the model lines were known as the late styled tractors. With this, a great many changes were made. "A" model numbers 584000 thru 703384 in 1952. In March 1947 the new A's had pressed steel frames, electrical start and lights, enclosed flywheel,bench seat with battery compartment, roll-a-matic front end assemblies, and the most outstanding change was an option of a factory made gasoline engine with the new cyclone combustion chamber., DLTX carb, higher compression pistons, which increased horse power to allow the late styled A's to pull three bottoms in most soils. The G was kept an all fuel burner to satisfy the regions that still attained this fuel non tax.

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Rich

06-02-2002 07:08:16




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 Re: Re: Does Green match with Red? in reply to Some more info on your new A, 06-01-2002 20:12:26  
Thanks for the extra details. They are most helpful. Next I will get the serial number from the A that is for sale. The seller said 1947 but there is no bench seat and while I am not an expert by any means, I did not notice or remember seeing the roll-o-matic front end.



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Stan - Florida

06-02-2002 08:47:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Does Green match with Red? in reply to Rich, 06-02-2002 07:08:16  
It could still well be a '47 model, but prior to S/N 584000 which is when they changed the style (square seat w/ batteries under, pressed steel frame, Roll-O-Matic, etc). 1947 model year started with S/N 569610 and the switchover to the new style was made in late March 1947 at 584000.

Stan



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Sam H.

06-02-2002 08:17:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Does Green match with Red? in reply to Rich, 06-02-2002 07:08:16  
Roll-O-Matic was an option just like Powr-Trol. I have a '47 A, #586218 that didn't have either, but came with the older style power lift. Somebody threw on a Powr-Trol unit and aftermarket power steering sometime later on. It also has the pressed steel rims instead of cast centers on the rear. It must have been a budget model. :-)

Sam



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Steve - IN

06-01-2002 17:07:07




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 Re: Does Green match with Red? in reply to Rich, 06-01-2002 12:08:13  
Rich,

Stan made a good invitation. I'm not an expert, but would like to add a few things to the discussion.

My Grand Dad had a Farmall H and a John Deere 60 when I was growing up. I got to ride on both of them. I learned on the H then got to drive the 60. The green popper was always my favorite, and I've got one of my own now. Someday, I'll get an Farmall H to go with it. So... 1. I don't think the colors clash.

2. In Hendricks county, Indiana, a JD 60 would pull a 3 bottom plow and an IH H wouldn't. But an IH M would. A late model JD A is the direct predecessor to a JD 60, and they had roughly the same horsepower. JD A's, B's and IH M's and H's had 15 to 20 year production runs. The engines did grow in size and power over the years... that's competition. A super M of 1954 has a few more ponies than a '54 60, about 7 more than the last A and is a few shy of a '54 JD 70 in power, and so on. A late model JD B or JD 50 is more evenly matched with a same year H Farmall.

3. The WD-9 IH is a brute of a thing! You're right, closest green competitor is a JD R, built only as a Diesel, and is kin to a JD 80. I don't think the D was ever a Diesel either. A JD AR is the "standard" version, A JD A is the row crop version.

4. If you got a JD R or an 80 and put it next to your WD-9, it would look like you had pair of bulldogs in red and green. Low, squat things. Put an A next to your WD-9, and it will look like you brought a setter or wolfhound into the family. It's just a taller, sleeker looking animal. Will it look good? Sure, why not. Who can account for taste? Where I grew up, everybody had row crop tractors, rarely saw a standard. So, naturally, I like the looks of an M better than a W-6, and so on.

5. Maybe that guy with the Farmall when you were a kid was a Methodist. The side of my family that most recently came from Germany were all Lutherans, but they hadn't farmed in a few generations. The other side had been here from Germany long enough to drift over to a Baptist church, and they owned red AND green tractors. Even had some kin with Olivers, Case and a dutch uncle with an Allis Chalmers - but he was Presbyterian. Doubt that has anything to do with anything, but red vs. green debates get so out of hand -- I figured I might as well add breeds of dogs and religion to the mix as well.

6. and last: Get that old A! The price sounds pretty good if it's still moving around well. Fix it up; it can still work for you on a daily basis. It may cost a bit more to run than a WD-9 -- specially if you're buying road taxed pump gas. But you'll be taller, look better, and sound more unique when you're out in the field with it!!

have fun!

Steve

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Stan - Florida

06-01-2002 13:10:41




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 Re: Does Green match with Red? in reply to Rich, 06-01-2002 12:08:13  
Of course, green matches with red, especially in late December. Now, to try to answer your questions.

Of the row crop lettered series John Deeres, there was the H, then the B, then the A, and finally, the G. The MT came along a little later.

The A could be compared with a Farmall M, although, in our area of Indiana, an M would always be pulling a three bottom plow and the JD A usually pulled a two bottom plow. A JD G of that era would be pulling a 3 bottom plow, right along with the Farmall M. The '47 JD A would have about 35 hp, whereas the M might be in the 39 hp range. In my opinion, the A would be between a Farmall H and a Farmall M.

That A would look good standing next to the WD-9.

Yes, the AR is the standard tread version of the A, with the same engine.

I believe the W-4 compared to an H, the W-6 copmared to the M, and the WD-9 was a bigger, 4 plow tractor. The R is probably bigger, for sure. We had one in our neighborhood and he pulled 5-14s with it. The R was only built as a diesel.

The D was never built as a diesel.

Well, I may have started a good argument/discussion here, but let's see what the experts have to say.

Stan

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Doc

06-01-2002 16:10:06




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 Re: Re: Does Green match with Red? in reply to Stan - Florida, 06-01-2002 13:10:41  
Well said Stan... I always figured a good running A was just between an M and an H, as it would lug tons better than an H. Either way, they're all good tractors, just what color you want to look at!

Doc



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About the only way they compare is they both have 4 wheels

06-01-2002 17:13:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Does Green match with Red? in reply to Doc, 06-01-2002 16:10:06  
There is no way a Farmall will compare to a JOHN DEERE other than the fact that they both have 4 wheels. Any day of the week month or year a JOHN DEERE will out work and out perform a red one.



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oldtimer

06-01-2002 18:09:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Green match with Red? in reply to About the only way they compare is they both have 4 wheels, 06-01-2002 17:13:44  
the boy don't realy need any such stupid messages there is a comparison in HP and if you like red fine if you like green fine no wonder the world is in the shape it is with the likes of you wandering around loose.OT



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