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Keith

05-30-2002 18:22:55




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I have a 2510 diesel with narrow front end and a 46A loader. The back tires do not have fluid in them. I currently have 5.5 x 16 front tires on it and I am wondering what size tire and wheel I should really have on it to handle the load the the loader could put on them. Does anyone have any suggestions?

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Keith




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Doc

06-01-2002 16:22:16




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 Re: front tires with loader in reply to Keith, 05-30-2002 18:22:55  
An honest question for those who wouldn't put a loader on a narrow front tractor.

Isn't the physics of the deal the same since the wide front pivots under the center of the tractor? Seems like either has the same chance to tip, given that a wide front pivots until the side hits the frame, and by that time I wouldn't want to be on her anyway! I think the wide front stability is all in the mind! I beleive the propensity to tip is based more on the load in the bucket, how high it's carried, weighting of the tractor, and how the tractor is driven.

Now, I've driven both, and tipped over a 40 JD A narrow front with a Du-Al loader while loading manure, and I know that the look and feel of a wide front is more comforting... But I'm not so sure that either is inherently more "stable".

Anyone familiar with the physics of this care to comment?

Just trying to chase down old "legends"...

Doc

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G Taylor

06-01-2002 06:45:50




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 Re: front tires with loader in reply to Keith, 05-30-2002 18:22:55  
More plys are better as the tires are stressed from both weight & sideways torque while steering. 5:50-16's seem small with 6 ply at best available,1050 lbs each at 56 psi.7:50-16's with 8 ply tires are rated 1710 lbs each with 56 psi with Firestone farm tires. 8 ply 6:00-16s will carry 1360 lbs each with 68 psi. As previously mentioned you can't set the rear tires too wide on any tractor. All the tires on our tractors are set so the tread extends at least to the axle end. More stable & less damage too if a rub occurs when wiggling into a narrow shed when parking. Cast weights with dry tires and a three point hitch weight box are best unless enough weight just cannot be achieved due to lack of room. If using fluid go with any antifreeze other than calcuim chloride.

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BW

05-31-2002 15:21:38




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 Re: front tires with loader in reply to Keith, 05-30-2002 18:22:55  
Im with pruett on this one, a narrow front loader tractor is a roll over waiting to happen. just my 2 cents!



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mike

05-31-2002 10:47:10




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 Re: front tires with loader in reply to Keith, 05-30-2002 18:22:55  
6 ply front tires and you will need lots of weight on the rear. The newer tractors after 1960 have all weight up front and less on rear than a 2cyl.



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Pruett

05-31-2002 10:07:25




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 Re: front tires with loader in reply to Keith, 05-30-2002 18:22:55  
This really is'nt an answer to your question but, I'd think a tractor w/ a narrow front would make a very unstable loader tractor. I wouldn't do it at all.

Just my opinion.

Pruett



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Keith

05-31-2002 16:46:50




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 Re: Re: front tires with loader in reply to Pruett, 05-31-2002 10:07:25  
This tractor has been in the family since 1970 with the front end loader on it. My grandfather turned it over once in 1977 while working on the dam on the pond during the drought, but as far as I know that is the only time. But I do agree, it probably is unstable. I bought this just because it was grandpa's but I do want to use it some also. I just wanted to make sure that my regular old tractor tires on the front weren't going to explode. Papa always had truck tires on it.

Keith

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Jerry S

05-31-2002 11:56:30




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 Re: Re: front tires with loader in reply to Pruett, 05-31-2002 10:07:25  
I was just thinking that since a wide front will freely pivot, it might not add much to the stability of the tractor unless you bottomed out. I think there might not be much better stability between the two types of front ends as it more matters how stable the back of the tractor is.



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mike

05-31-2002 18:57:40




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 Re: Re: Re: front tires with loader in reply to Jerry S, 05-31-2002 11:56:30  
You are right on the money !! A wide front end has a lot of travel on the front piviot. I had a JD500 loader tractor backend in the air a couple of times because of lack of weight. You have to act fast and drop the bucket quick. I much perfer our 4020 with a 158 loader fluid in the back tires and a 3 point hitch I can hang
a #115 blade on back. This makes a very stable and usefull unit. It does have a wide front end and I still perfer it this way. I had a model 50 tractor with a #45 loader on it and it was very stable with only 4 wheel weights on it.A 2cyl.has alot better balance.The narrow front worked good
as the bucket was only four feet wide and you could reach back into tight places.But if it was soft the narrow front sinks in where as the 4020
wide frt.has wide tires that float better. Each set up had advantages and disadvantages
but the 4020 set up works best for me.

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