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Denny

05-23-2002 18:24:16




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I have a question for you guys. The pony on my 720 is very tempermental, sometimes it starts sometimes not, smokes some. What do you think about the conversion kits to make it electric start? Does the take away from value? Thanks for your opinions.




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RLArmstrong

05-24-2002 08:54:09




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 Re: 720D Pony start in reply to Denny, 05-23-2002 18:24:16  
Denny, If you live in the north, where temps. could be sub zero? You had better stay with the pony. Have worked two 730's one electric, one pony. If its cold & you need to start a tractor now we jump on the pony everytime! Both are in good shape & perform the same when doing field work. So to say one gets used in the summer & one is used all year. RLA



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GUY

05-24-2002 08:45:44




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 Re: 720D Pony start in reply to Denny, 05-23-2002 18:24:16  
Sounds like mine. I cleaned the fuel system and replaced the gasket between the float bowl and the carb, and now it runs fine. Still smokes though.



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Clooney

05-24-2002 03:41:55




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 Re: 720D Pony start in reply to Denny, 05-23-2002 18:24:16  
Denny, Frank pretty well covered the virtues of a "pony" start system.
~I have a 720 pony start Diesel & wouldn't change it to electric start for anything,..[BUT].., if I were farming with it every day I would be tempted to change it over to electric start. That would allow a 12 volt system to get better lighting, more accessories & a more convenient start with less problems.
~As for it lowering the value, that depends on what condition it is in & what market you are selling it to. If you try to sell it as a restored 720 for high dollar you will probably see a lower value. If you are selling it as a used farm tractor you might even see a small improvement in value. You will probably see an increase in the people that are willing to buy it. I sold a 70 diesel a few years ago & most prospective buyers said if it was an electric start they would take it. The guy that finally bought it was familiar with pony starts & wanted to restore it. Just the thought of the complicated starting system turned a couple of buyers off. ~Those pony motors are worth quite a bit of money & if sold separately would probably more than make up the difference in re-sale value [or offer it to go with the tractor at sale time & enhance your re-sale value]
~As far as commenting on the conversion kits, I haven�t ever used one of those kits so you will have to wait to get input from someone that has.

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trkr

05-23-2002 19:24:44




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 Re: 720D Pony start in reply to Denny, 05-23-2002 18:24:16  
After tune up on my 720 pony still ran terrible.Gas line from pony tank to carb had swelled up inside from age and restricted the gas flow to next to nothing.New gas line and now my pony runs super.Just my 2 cents.



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Frank-in-Tallahassee

05-23-2002 19:05:25




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 Re: 720D Pony start in reply to Denny, 05-23-2002 18:24:16  
Denny:

First off, let me say it's your tractor and you can darn sure do anything with it you want. I happen to a pony kind of guy.

The 70D I have was bought used in 1969. From the first day on the farm, that pony did not want to start and run well. The main engine was great ! I told my Dad that John Deere wouldn't have put such a contraption on the market if it didn't work, and that I should look into that carburetor. He told me to leave it be, that the da-- thing was barely starting as it was and he didn't need to tinkering with it. 25 years went by, the barn fell on the tractor, and eventually the tractor made the move from my parent's farm to my place.

I had that pony engine for two days and had it running better that ever. I had purchased a new distributor and carb kit. I installed the new ignition parts and rebuilt the carb. The load needle was corroded into the jet, and the idle passage was clogged. The cork float was deteriorated, and contributed to the clogging. There were two grains of wheat in the bowl (?!?).

I cranked that engine about three turns and it roared to life with no problems at all. It kicked up to high speed and the governor worked correectly. I had never seen it move before !Because of the long time between teardowns, a seal eventually went bad on the rear main, so I tore it down for that. I installed new rings, honed the cylinders, ground the valves and seats, and cleaned out the oil drain holes in the heads. I also put new bearings, bushings, and seals in the transmission. I also rebuilt the water pump.

It starts and runs so well, that I could not be happier with it. I think it's an easier system to maintain than a couple of huge batteries, a different generator/regulator, etc. No smoke, and it spins the diesel at about 200 rpm on compression, and it will do it all day long.

Now I'm not trying to say that the electric start conversion is a bad thing, just that if your pony engine is in decent mechanical shape, I think you can get it to perform reliably with some attention to the ignition and carburetor. The smoking will probably require rings to fix. Pistons and rods are VERY expensive ($200+ ea for pistons and $100+ for rods), so if yours are still servicable, the rings are $40, the gasket set is $70, and the valve grind is around $40.

Since I just got through with rebuilds on the diesel and cranking engines, I'd be happy to offer any advice and encouragement if you decide to try and spiff your pony engine.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Denny

05-24-2002 05:21:32




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 Re: Re: 720D Pony start in reply to Frank-in-Tallahassee, 05-23-2002 19:05:25  
Thanks guys! This gives me some food for thought.



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