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All-Fuel JD60; Should I Use Kerosene?

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TMAC

05-16-2002 13:39:58




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This may be a question asked many times but I am a new John Deere owner(lover). My 60 has two tanks, a thick looking manifold, and as I understand from some good folks on this disscussion board, lower compression. Being a John Deere tractor, is it more suited for running kero or like other brands, there is risk of oil contamination from "wet" fuel getting by the pistons? Will it run better on gas or kero?

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mike

05-16-2002 18:29:05




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 Re: All-Fuel JD60; Should I Use Kerosene? in reply to TMAC, 05-16-2002 13:39:58  
I have ran some of my tractors on kerosene,and have even tried old style #2 diesel. My H ran fine on the diesel,but my 46 A did not it likes kerosene,once at a tractor show I was plowing with the A and was getting low on gas and switched the valve while under full load to the kerosene and It ran fine and couldn't tell the differance except for the smell. I tried kerosene in a 1945 B that had ...045 over cast iron gas pistons installed and while just sitting still it ran fine but put a slight load on it and boy did it ever rattle!! It didn't take me long to switch back to gas in this tractor! If you try K1 in your 60 just be listening for knocks and noises as it may have been upgraded to gas pistons.

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TMAC

05-16-2002 18:20:23




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 Re: All-Fuel JD60; Should I Use Kerosene? in reply to TMAC, 05-16-2002 13:39:58  
Thanks guys, I will for now use just gas. I'll keep a check on running temp during normal chores and see if I do run it long enough and hot enough to try kero and see how well it runs on it. I will also check the compression; you may be right that in its lifetime it could have been changed over for gas only. I may use the small gas tank for kerosene and try running it on kerosene for a short time just for fun of it.

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Clooney

05-16-2002 16:56:58




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 Re: All-Fuel JD60; Should I Use Kerosene? in reply to TMAC, 05-16-2002 13:39:58  
TMAC, I can't tell you if you should, but can say I do in my all-fuelers all the time. ~I like the smell, the sound & if set up correctly the power [there are more BTU's per gallon of kerosene than gasoline, but the power seems about the same]
~G-man has some valid points on coolant temperature & compression, but if you can keep the temperature up & run it out of fuel to shut it off [if you don't, at least drain the carb before "attempting" to start it again]
~I sometimes use about a 60/40 mixture of kerosene & gasoline as that will run without the coolant temperature being kept up & will even start in warm weather with that mixture.
~Most of my all-fuel tractors run real good on kerosene & if not idled for extended time don't seem to pollute the engine oil. Kerosene is pretty refined & doesn't have the sulfur & other polluters that Diesel fuel, heating oil & tractor fuel has... "Ah- the smell of burning kerosene in the morning"...

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G-MAN - question for Clooney...

05-16-2002 17:02:23




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 Re: Re: All-Fuel JD60; Should I Use Kerosene? in reply to Clooney, 05-16-2002 16:56:58  
Clooney - does kerosene produce a gray smoke when it's burned in a two-cylinder? I've never even seen a two-cylinder run on kerosene before. Some photos I have seen show gray or white (hard to tell in black and white) smoke coming out of the stack. I was just wondering if that was a characteristic of these fuels. What does kerosene smell like when it burns? I guess if I get my other G bought, I might have to warm it up on the dyno and dump some kerosene in it just to see what that whole experience is like. Thanks for the info.

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Clooney

05-16-2002 17:16:00




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 Re: Re: Re: All-Fuel JD60; Should I Use Kerosene? in reply to G-MAN - question for Clooney..., 05-16-2002 17:02:23  
G-Man, it ranges from no smoke to kind of grayish to light black smoke depending on how hot, how hard it is worked, how the carb is set, what kind of kerosene is used & what tractor it is burned in. At idle it usually is kind of light black.
~A couple of my all-fuel tractors actually run better [less popping & more even] on kerosene than on gasoline, probably due to the carb tuning for heavy fuels.

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G Taylor ...odor

05-16-2002 19:54:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: All-Fuel JD60; Should I Use Kerosene? in reply to Clooney, 05-16-2002 17:16:00  
If judging by odor alone and if using quality kerosene, most people would suspect a jet turbine powering your tractor.



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G-MAN - Forgot something

05-16-2002 16:30:04




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 Re: All-Fuel JD60; Should I Use Kerosene? in reply to TMAC, 05-16-2002 13:39:58  
I happened to think of something else. You might want to check compression on your tractor. It might have been rebuilt at some time and had higher compression pistons installed, in which case I don't think you'll be able to burn kerosene without some knocking/detonation. Compression pressure on a gasoline 60 with 6:1 compression is 110 psi. I couldn't find a spec for all-fuel with 4.5:1 compression, but I would assume it should be around 65 psi or so. If you have in excess of that (say 90 psi), you'd better stick to gasoline regardless.

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G-MAN

05-16-2002 16:05:11




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 Re: All-Fuel JD60; Should I Use Kerosene? in reply to TMAC, 05-16-2002 13:39:58  
Your all-fuel 60 was certainly designed and built to burn heavy fuels like distillate and kerosene. However, to burn these fuels successfully, you need to maintain full operating temperature - probably around 200 degrees. If your tractor has the thermostatically controlled shutters and they operate correctly, you will probably be able to do that, but only if you're working the tractor pretty good. My advice - and I am not an expert by any means - would be to stick to running gasoline in it. It will probably be easier in the long run and save worrying about getting crankcase dilution from unburned fuel. If you plan on working the tractor hard and running gasoline, you might want to find out if the head has hardened valve seats and consider putting them in if it doesn't. Maybe someone else can tell you if 60s had hardened seats. Just my two cents.

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