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'47 B Power Take Off Trouble

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Terry H

05-15-2002 21:08:59




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The other night while mowing my ditch with a 5' Continental shredder, my beloved '47 B began making horrible noises. When I attempted to disengage the PTO, the handle swung freely without shifting the PTO out of gear. I've been inside everything from a '54 Triumph motorcycle tranny, to a 2 speed Borg-Warner Automatic, but I don't know where to begin with this old work horse. I've never had to do a thing with it except an occasional oil change. Can I get in there from the top by taking the steering pedestal off, or do I need to go in through the bottom? Once I do get inside, what should I look for to fix the problem? I know I can count on you guys (and gals) to help me get the old boy up and running again. Thanks in advance.

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Update From Terry H

05-16-2002 20:07:34




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 Re: '47 B Power Take Off Trouble in reply to Terry H, 05-15-2002 21:08:59  
Got the top off and found the lever that slides the gear that engages the pto down at the bottom of the shift lever. Also found what appears to be the remains of a flattened out bushing on the bottom of the fly wheel side of the case.

Is there something broken off of the case that is supposed to hold that end of the shaft (and bushing) in place, or is it all just supposed to lay in that saddle?

Thanks again for the help,

Terry

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Update to The Update from Terry H.

05-19-2002 08:44:13




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 Re: Re: '47 B Power Take Off Trouble in reply to Update From Terry H, 05-16-2002 20:07:34  
Upon closer inspection, the case is broken where the cross shaft that drives the pto goes into the bushing and bore. Looks like there's some other damage in there too. Tranny gears all look O.K. Guess I'll tear it all down and disable the pto.

Thanks to Frank and everyone else, and a big thanks to Ryan for all the help.

Anybody wanna buy a good '47 B with no PTO..... ..... ?

Terry H



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F-I-T

05-16-2002 20:33:23




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 Re: Re: '47 B Power Take Off Trouble in reply to Update From Terry H, 05-16-2002 20:07:34  
Terry:

Afraid I can't help you there. Someone who has had their head down in a "B" would have to answer that one. I sure would think the since that shaft carries the PTO bevel gear that the bushing would be in a bore, and not just a saddle.

Can you see if it appears broken ? Have you fished with a magnet ? Did you drain the gear oil ? If so, you may have to rinse it down so you get a clear picture.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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F-I-T

05-16-2002 05:08:03




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 Re: '47 B Power Take Off Trouble in reply to Terry H, 05-15-2002 21:08:59  
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Terry H:

Well, there are only two ways to get into that transmission, and that's from the top (gear shift quadrant), or through the backend.

The good news is that there aren't all that many parts, and as far as the PTO lever linkage goes, it could be as simple as a sheared woodruff key or a cotter pin. Bad news is that it's way in the bottom, and the transmission cross shafts might be in your way. Any work that has to take place from behind involves draining the transmission/rearend, and probably splitting the differential case from the main case. That's how I attacked a '48 "A" once. Splitting them there isn't all that bad, and the pto will be exposed.

Then again, it depends on what the problem is. You say it was making a racket. Did it sould like gears were stripping ? Did you try to kick it out of gear, and that's when the PTO linkage failed ? Does the PTO work now, and just the lever needs help ?

Tell us more. In the meantime, this diagram might help a bit.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Ryan

05-16-2002 14:40:38




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 Re: Re: '47 B Power Take Off Trouble in reply to F-I-T, 05-16-2002 05:08:03  
Terry,
This past weekend I had to tear into a '51 B. The bushing (59), the deal it rides it in the transmission was broken off. I don't see how it could have broken off but it did. You'll have to remove the rear cover, and reduction gear cover.
Good Luck,
Ryan



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Terry H

05-16-2002 07:24:17




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 Re: Re: '47 B Power Take Off Trouble in reply to F-I-T, 05-16-2002 05:08:03  
The noise started as I was mowing. Engine seemed to bog down a bit and I disengaged the clutch right away. When I tried to disengage the pto, the lever was "slack". I removed the drive shaft to the mower and reengaged the clutch and the pto was still turning. When I put the transmission in second gear to head back for the barn, the tractor jerked a few times, then took off. Last night I drove it into the garage, and things didn't sound quite right.

I've got visions of broken parts rolling around in there!

Thanks for the help. I'll keep you posted.

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