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JD 420S Idle and Load problems

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Bill Gangwer

05-13-2002 20:32:29




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I have a 1956 420S. I just rebuilt the carb new gaskets jets ect. It runs but not very smoothly. I put new plugs in and checked them after 1 hour of use. The plug on the left(back)cylinder has black in the electrode and ceramic part. The front cylinder is clean.

I adjust the idle screw and it idles ok but seems to miss every now and again. Is this normal? Then when I open it up all the way I adjust the load screw but it seems when it goes back to idle it wants to die or run poorly. Could I have a leaky intake/exhaust gasket? Any suggestions would help. I am getting discouraged at this point.

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Plant Doctor

05-14-2002 04:55:33




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 Re: JD 420S Idle and Load problems in reply to Bill Gangwer, 05-13-2002 20:32:29  
If only one plug is fouling, you could possibly have a leak in the intake manifold gasket. I use propane for leak detection. Use a small propane torch, not lit of course, and direct the propane around the intake manifold while the tractor is running. If there is a leak, as soon as the motor pulls in some of the propane, you will notice a change in the rpm's. Sometimes it helps to loosen the fan belt so the propane gas isn't blown away before it can be sucked in at the leak sight. If you think you have found a leak, try this procedure several times to make sure you get the same results and you are not just getting a false reading.

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Clooney

05-14-2002 03:39:25




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 Re: JD 420S Idle and Load problems in reply to Bill Gangwer, 05-13-2002 20:32:29  
Bill, without knowing more specifics it sounds like you could still have a carb problem. But other things could also cause the same problem.
~That intermittent miss at idle is not really normal for a 420 but does appear occasionally on engines with some wear & time on them,
~Install a fresh set of plugs [again], once the plugs foul a little they don't self clean worth a darn on the 40-420. Try a set of H-12 & if only playing with the tractor, use 2 gaskets under each plug [set the plug gap to .028"].
~You could also have worn distributor bushings [that is common on the 40-420] try setting the point gap about .005" wider than you have now.
~Make sure the plug wires are solid core, [NOT automotive TVRS type with carbon centers] ~Try running with the air cleaner disconnected [those air cleaners will plug from years of dirt & can restrict air flow] if that makes a difference, remove & boil out the air cleaner canister.
~Adjust the carb for best idle warm, & adjust the load needle under LOAD, not just a fast idle. If you don�t have a way of loading it, either pull a loaded trailer, another tractor or go climb a hill in high gear. To properly adjust the �load needle� [key word load] turn the load needle in until the engine just starts to pop & run bad then slowly open the load needle until it just starts to run good, then open it another � turn.
~If after checking the above, you still have problems suspect a carb problem, worn valve guides, leaking valves [run a compression check] , worn cam [hard to test for], worn distributor bushings [remove the dist & wobble the shaft around to see how much bushing play], or the possibility of an intake manifold leak [close both intake valves then remove the carb & use your air compressor to put about 20 lbs of air pressure in the manifold & see where it comes out]

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Bill Gangwer

05-13-2002 21:57:00




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 Re: JD 420S Idle and Load problems in reply to Bill Gangwer, 05-13-2002 20:32:29  
Can anyone give me advice on tuning the carb as well.



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