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How do you time a 48 D?

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Kirk in PA

05-11-2002 15:38:55




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My 48 D has been running horribly lately. It is backfiring something fierce under load and when cold. I have taken previous advice from this forum and assured that adequate fuel was being delivered to the carb. I have also rebuilt the carb. Now, I guess that it is time to look into the magneto (Wico). Something that is new to me. I am pretty good with point and coil systems, but mags are a mystery to me. I did take the mag cover off and removed, filed, and set the points according to the manual. I connected my timing light to the left side spark plug and shined it at the flywheel. The �LH impulse� mark on the flywheel was about 30 degrees short of being at the mark on the trans case. When rotating the mag, it took me the wrong way. I do not have the ability to turn the mag far enough to bring the mark to the correct spot.

To make a long question shorter, how do the points opening and the impulse snap relate to each other, and should the �LH impulse� mark on the flywheel be lined up with the mark on the trans case when checking with a timing light?

Also, where can I buy plugs, points and condenser for it? Thanks again for all of the help.

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Clooney

05-11-2002 16:34:26




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 Re: How do you time a 48 D? in reply to Kirk in PA, 05-11-2002 15:38:55  
Kirk, you didn't say what model Wico mag you have but I will assume it is a Wico X or C, probably an X.
~When checking with a timing light & the engine is running over 250 RPM [basically running] the L/H plug should fire about 30-35* before the L/H impulse mark lines up with the case mark.
~The Wico X, H, XH all operate about the same way...When installed & over appx. 250 RPM the mag basically sparks at around 25-35* before TDC [ or 25-30* before the L/H impulse mark], depending on the mag lag setting & mag type. ~There is an adjustable stop ring on the back of the mag that has a stop on it that catches little [trip] arms sticking out of the impulse cup. At speeds under appx. 250 RPM the trip arms stick out & catch on the stop ring stop & allow a spring in the impulse cup to wind up while the [flywheel] crankshaft keeps turning, when the [flywheel] crankshaft gets to TDC [L/H impulse mark] the stop lets go & allows the mag to [snap] forward & make a spark [therefore the mag actually sparks at TDC [L/H impulse] at cranking speeds--under 250 RPM-].
~ After the engine speed reaches 250 or so RPM the trip arms retract due to centrifugal force & the mag reverts to base timing which is actually where the mag is installed at.
~The running timing on a late "D" is around 35* for kerosene with standard compression. I have found that my personal "D's" run good at around 30* BTDC timing when set with a timing light.
~To set a "D" or most hand start 2-cylinder Deere's with a timing light....use a tape measure & measure the circumference of the flywheel, then divide that number by 360, that will give you the inches per degree, then multiply that number by 30 & that will give you the total inches for 30 degrees, then measure that distance in the advanced direction from the L/H impulse mark on the flywheel & put a paint mark. All you have to do then is run the engine at high idle & shine the timing light on the flywheel & see if it flashes when the paint mark lines up with the case mark. The mag can be loosened & turned to get the paint mark to line up. Once the running timing is set (a Wico X & C has no mechanical advance), stop the engine & slowly roll the flywheel in the running direction & see if the mag snaps when the L/H impulse on the flywheel lines up with the case mark, if it doesn't, the stop ring is set incorrectly or the impulse is worn. ~If after the running timing is set & you find that the mag doesn't snap at L/H impulse to case mark while cranking, post back or E-Mail & I will tell you how to set the impulse stop as it depends on the impulse cup.....
~Points, plugs & condenser can be bought from Deere, some autoparts stores, or John R. Brillman (610-252-9828) 6-10 pm est. Roberts Carb (712) 262-5311) has the parts also.....

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Kirk in PA

05-12-2002 09:46:16




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 Re: Re: How do you time a 48 D? in reply to Clooney, 05-11-2002 16:34:26  
Thanks Clooney for the very in depth answer. I compared my mag with the parts book and it is a C that I have. From your post, I gather that the impulse snaps at TDC below 250 rpm and then when speed increases above 250, base timing takes over which is actually about 30 degrees BTDC. This is about what mine is doing from what I saw yesterday. I sure do appreciate all of the education/advice that you give.

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Clooney

05-12-2002 10:07:28




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 Re: Re: Re: How do you time a 48 D? in reply to Kirk in PA, 05-12-2002 09:46:16  
Kirk said, " I gather that the impulse snaps at TDC below 250 rpm and then when speed increases above 250, base timing takes over which is actually about 30 degrees BTDC"...Kirk, that is exactly what happens.....



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