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JD paint/ hardener question

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Guy

05-10-2002 09:08:57




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Okay, I am admittedly a little "deficient" in the paint and bodywork department so would love a little help. I think I have read a few times where you guys have used standard John Deere paint with some type of NAPA hardener. I wondered if someone could tell me exactly what this hardener is so I know what to ask for. Also, did I read that this hardener actually helps make the paint more glossy also? Thanks for any help!

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Steve in Tennessee

05-11-2002 20:54:10




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 Re: JD paint/ hardener question in reply to Guy, 05-10-2002 09:08:57  
I just finished painting a JD M with that paint. I bought the hardener at TSC. Goes for about $9 a pint which does a gallon of paint. I had good results with mine. It does seem to enhance the gloss somewhat. I painted outside to dissipate the fumes as much as possible. Even with a good canister respirator, the fumes can get rough. The isocyanates in the catalyst outgas a chemical akin to cyanide. I think it can be absorbed through the skin also. My rule of thumb is if you can smell it or taste it, your respirator isn't taking it out and you need fresh air.

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LJS

05-11-2002 16:21:11




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 Re: JD paint/ hardener question in reply to Guy, 05-10-2002 09:08:57  
NAPA hardner is MS 8010

See spec sheet by the link below, look for hardner it is toward the end.



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LJS

05-11-2002 16:20:38




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 Re: JD paint/ hardener question in reply to Guy, 05-10-2002 09:08:57  
NAPA hardner is MS 8010

See spec sheet by the link below, look for hardner it is toward the end.



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Clooney

05-10-2002 13:59:51




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 Re: JD paint/ hardener question in reply to Guy, 05-10-2002 09:08:57  
Guy, hardener is basically a catalyst that chemically bonds with the paint to make it dry faster & usually harder.
~It doesn't necessarily make it shinier & sometimes will even make it duller depending on the dry time, flash time, type of hardener & other factors. ~In most cases it will be at least a shiny as no hardener & in some cases be even shinier. It does allow paint repair much sooner than without & does help to make the paint less prone to fuel damage.
~The type of hardener depends on the paint you are using & in the case of Deere paint, that is synthetic enamel. Synthetic enamel requires hardener designed for synthetic enamel. Just about any hardener that is made for synthetic enamel will work ok. Just make sure the hardener says [for synthetic enamel].
~A word of warning if you are considering hardener in your paint. Most [all that I know about anyway] contains Isocyanates & Isocyanates are extremely bad for your health, even short time exposure can be very damaging to your long term health. [see link]. The use of a canister type respirator will help some but even that isn't recommended. The only sure way to paint with paint with Isocyanates in it is to use a fresh air supply.

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easydoesit

05-10-2002 13:55:36




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 Re: JD paint/ hardener question in reply to Guy, 05-10-2002 09:08:57  
Hey Guy,
One thing about the hardeners..... they contain isocyniates. UNLESS you have a CHEMICAL mask or fresh air mask you need to watch breathing this stuff. The can warns that it can cause permanent nervous system changes and I suspect it caused my fathers ALS. Easy



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Jack

05-10-2002 13:17:01




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 Re: JD paint/ hardener question in reply to Guy, 05-10-2002 09:08:57  
I use synthetic Napa hardner with mine.I put a couple of capfuls in each cup.Shines nice and spilling gas on it don't hurt the finish if you get it right off.You will like it.Good luck,Jack(TN).



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F-I-T

05-10-2002 09:56:31




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 Re: JD paint/ hardener question in reply to Guy, 05-10-2002 09:08:57  
Guy:

You might want to try the search function for "Hardener".

There's a bunch of older messages that offer suggestions.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855



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