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seized engine diagnosis help needed!

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Matt Rearwin

05-06-2002 08:19:03




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Do I have a seized engine? (GM Detroit Diesel 2-53)

I bought a non-running John Deere 440 ICD crawler loader. It was said to have last run last fall.

The guy I bought it from had removed the blower for rebuilding. I took the blower to a repair shop, and the mechanics there said the blower bushings were worn, and they repaired the blower.

I installed the blower, and went to start it. Tranny in neutral, foot on the clutch: the starter motor gear didn't sound as if it was engaging.

The battery cables were in poor condition, I replaced them with 00 guage cables. While doing this, I removed the starter to ensure that it turns fast and freely when connected to jumper cables. Now, with the starter installed, the starter motor gear engages, but the engine barely turns.

So, I figure one or more of following is true:
1 - I am a chump, and the guy I bought the machine from gave a great sales pitch.
2 - Liquid of unknown origin has seeped into the cylinders, are prevents engine rotation.
3 - The hydraulic pump at the front of the engine has seized.
4 - The starter is faulty, though I can not imagine how.
5 - The clutch/tranny is faulty, though I can not imagine how.
6 - The engine itself is mechanically seized.

What should I do now:
If I removed the hydraulic pump, would the engine rotate with a breaker bar and appropriate socket over the splined shaft at the engine front? (Where do I get the socket?)
Remove the head and inspect?
Remove the air box plate adjacent to the governor and inspect?
Remove the engine, and rebuild/replace?
Put the machine on Ebay?

So a couple other questions:
What does a used GM 2-53 cost?
What does a rebuilt GM 2-53 cost?
What does it cost to rebuild my GM 2-53?

I wish I was crawling!
Matt

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Jerry

05-06-2002 21:31:52




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 Re: JD 440ICD - seized engine diagnosis help needed! in reply to Matt Rearwin, 05-06-2002 08:19:03  
You might try pulling your injectors and turning the engine with a bar or screwdriver at the flywheel, the contractor I work for had one that got fuel logged somehow, so we pulled the injedtors and purged the fuel from the cylinders and the little thing was fine. Noisy but fine
DDs are one of the cheapest diesel engines to overhaul. Good luck, and wear earplugs



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JOhn

05-06-2002 13:05:05




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 Re: JD 440ICD - seized engine diagnosis help needed! in reply to Matt Rearwin, 05-06-2002 08:19:03  
What type of shape is the battery/batteries in? Is it cold there? Does it smoke or anything at all when you roll it over? Is it possible to pull start a crawler? Just some ideas that effect diesels. Did you change any of the fluids (fuel, oil, etc.) If it's rolling then I don't think it's locked up. Is there anything different about the blower setup/installation than before that was fixed?

Hope this helps.

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G Taylor

05-06-2002 11:55:32




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 Re: JD 440ICD - seized engine diagnosis help needed! in reply to Matt Rearwin, 05-06-2002 08:19:03  
A two stroke DD is a decent little engine but it has to be built correctly by someone with tools & know how. Certainly many have been shade tree rebuilt but those engines often start poorly, burn oil, suffer low power or have run aways (vvvrrroooommmm then WHAM = $$$). For all the ground freight costs it will be cheaper to build it just once and have it work, at quality shop like Albert's at
E-mail Address [email protected]
Business Information: Phone: Ph.# 360-748-0026 N35 injectors, 21 to 1 N series pistons, blower seal conversion, new vales/seats and a dry filter conversion of the plugged oil/mesh aircleaner are required for a DD to start & run without grief. Kenneth at [email protected] has the high torque starter windings & HD drive required to solve the other half of the starting problems. About 40 HP at 1850 rpm in that configuration which is lots for the 440 final drives. Don't use larger injectors. Good for 2400 rpm with the two valve head if the new improved valve & cam follower springs are used. No harm in winding her out. Just use the oval muffler & quality ear pluggs plus external muffs.

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Robert Dickie

05-06-2002 14:56:54




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 Re: Re: JD 440ICD - seized engine diagnosis help needed! in reply to G Taylor , 05-06-2002 11:55:32  
Hi,
I'm a truck man myself, but an engine is an engine whatever it is fitted to. You really need to take things one stage at a time before ripping it apart. If you have the starter off, try turning the engine over by putting a large screwdriver in and levering against the ring gear on the flywheel. There may be an inspection/timing plate on the flywheel housing which could make this easier. If it still does not turn, move on to the hydraulic pump and disconnect it from the engine and try again. If still no joy, loosen the injectors and pull them back from the head and then try again. I would start with whichever is easiest and most accessible( and cheapest.) Good luck and all the best from Scotland..Robert Dickie

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