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50 B Break in Oil Turning Brake

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POPPER DICK

05-01-2002 14:07:37




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I need some advise on my 1950 "B"

1) How long should break in oil be used. Tractor is not used for heavy pulling. Rides with grand kids, parades and a number eight cycle bar mower.

2) My right turning break all of a sudden pops and grinds excessively if I touch it hard or light. I quit using it immediately when this started this week. Any ideas as to what might be the problem.

Thanks in advance

Dick

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G-MAN

05-01-2002 17:18:06




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 Re: 50 B Break in Oil Turning Brake in reply to POPPER DICK, 05-01-2002 14:07:37  
Popper, the break-in oil is designed to be run 100 hours. This could take quite a while if you don't use the tractor much. I would try to find some dyno-time somewhere or run the tractor in an application where you can vary engine speed and load to help the break-in procedure. Maybe pulling a wagon or something up and down a modest hill in different gears, etc. Don't add any more oil until the level is down to the add mark (petcock?). I don't know why this is, it's just what JD recommends. If you don't want to run the full 100 hours, try to load it up good like I said for maybe 10 or 20 hours and then go to whatever oil you're going to run. If you notice a consumption problem, you can go back to the break-in oil for another session. I know a lot of "experts" say that break-in oil is unnecessary, but I've had nothing but good results with it, and I feel very comfortable sending a $7500 overhaul home with break-in oil in it. If it is factory-fill in a $190,000 8520, it should do your B just fine. Good luck with your tractor.

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Frank-in-Tallahassee

05-01-2002 14:20:00




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 Re: 50 B Break in Oil Turning Brake in reply to POPPER DICK, 05-01-2002 14:07:37  
Popper Dick:

My suspicion is that you have one or both brake shaft bushings worn.

Our '48 "A" had this, and as you would drive at higher speeds (like hoeing in 5th), the slop in the brake shaft to bushing would allow the brake driven gear to walk up the bull gear tooth, then as the shaft would attempt to stop this travel, it would be forced to "pop" back down into the bull gear groove. Eventually, the gear on the brake shaft split in two, which would have been fairly easy to repair, but it fell into the right side bull gear, and when it came around to the differential, it broke the main case quill on the right side (the one that is cast into the case), and old S/N 595751 was no more. I bought another "A" with a bad crank, and put the good engine in this tractor.

Moral of the story: If you can determine which side it is coming from, pull the brake assy out far enough to clear the teeth of the bull gear, and then test it. If no noise, that's the culprit. But find it out and fix it before something catastrophic occurs.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70 D // 855

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POPPER DICK

05-01-2002 15:37:12




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 Re: Re: 50 B Break in Oil Turning Brake in reply to Frank-in-Tallahassee, 05-01-2002 14:20:00  
Frank,

I think I pretty well understand what you are saying. It pops only while pressing the right brake pedal. The left one works well and quiet. Does this mean I should suspect and pull the right brake assy out a little and then drive and press on this partially pulled out brake assembly to see if it goes away.

Thanks for your help

Dick



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F-I-T

05-01-2002 16:57:08




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 Re: Re: Re: 50 B Break in Oil Turning Brake in reply to POPPER DICK, 05-01-2002 15:37:12  
Popper Dick:

Yes, but you pretty much have narrowed it down to the right assembly. Also, our "A" popped with or without brake pressure. You need to go ahead and pull that assembly and check for bushing wear. Now, I would not be surprised to hear that you only have a build up of grease/dirt/gear oil in there and the shoe is jumping trying to get a bite.

But either way, you'll have to pull it and clean and inspect it. I always tell that story of the broken gear to people when they say they have brake noises to show how quickly something terminal can happen.

Lemme know whatcha find !

F-I-T

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