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Josh Jacobs

04-23-2002 09:39:19




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I am fixing to start pulling tractors,& I am going to need a good strong truck to pull around 25000lbs. People tell me either go with a Powerstroke or a Duramax, both with six speeds. I am leaning towards the Duramax. Please give me some information on which you pullers use.




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JBC

04-25-2002 00:06:18




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 Re: tractor pulling in reply to Josh Jacobs, 04-23-2002 09:39:19  
I have driven both the Cummins and Powerstroke for years. Both will get the job done and have the same longevity (almost). I personally prefer the powerstroke. It is much quicker than the slug like Cummins. Just for your info the powerstroke is very under rated in HP and Torque from ford. Just look at any dyno test from the Truck mags. Besides all that, nothing beats DISPLACEMENT which the Cummins lacks. They keep turning the turbo up playing catch up. That engine is way more stressed than the Powertroke. Originally the Cummins had about 175 hp (manual) and now it is much higher than that. I'll take a big engine that doesn't work hard over a small engine that always has to work hard, any day.

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Chances R

04-24-2002 06:11:11




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 Re: tractor pulling in reply to Josh Jacobs, 04-23-2002 09:39:19  
My 99 F450 has been a good truck so far. The only thing I dont like about it is the General tires. The mpg isnt as good as the Cummins, I get around 14.5 empty with 4-10's. The Cummins is a great motor, but Dodge doesent make a truck like the F 450 and besides, I have always liked the Ford truck. Check out my pics.

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thurlow

04-23-2002 15:07:26




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 Re: tractor pulling in reply to Josh Jacobs, 04-23-2002 09:39:19  
Josh, couldn't tell exactly; are you talking 25000# cargo, or 25000# total. Any good ton truck and acceptable trailer should handle 25000# total (truck, trailer and tractor's'). If you're talking 25000# of tractors, then you probably need a bigger truck.



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BMeyer

04-23-2002 14:23:35




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 Re: tractor pulling in reply to Josh Jacobs, 04-23-2002 09:39:19  
Josh, I have to agree with G Taylor. 25K is alot of weight to pull with a 3/4 ton or even a ton truck. If you're pulling them 10 miles to a show, you might be okay but sure wouldn't want to pull that much weight very far.

I just bought a 2002 F250 with a powerstroke but I'm only pulling two Dubuque tractors that weight appoximately 8000 lbs total.

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G Taylor

04-23-2002 10:53:57




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 Re: tractor pulling in reply to Josh Jacobs, 04-23-2002 09:39:19  
To haul 12-1/2 tons( two or three tractors) is beyond a 350 or even a 450 series light truck & into medium truck or single axle highway tractors. The engine choices there are Cat,Cummins,DD & such. At least a class D license will be required as well. How much do have to spend?



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go with a Cummins - it will outlast either of those V-8s 5 to 1 - powerstroke is a glorified gas burner and I wouldn't get a duramax without the allison

04-23-2002 09:44:39




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 Re: tractor pulling in reply to Josh Jacobs, 04-23-2002 09:39:19  
nt



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like they say I would rather be cummin then strokein

04-23-2002 21:38:03




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 Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to go with a Cummins - it will outlast either of those V-8s 5 to 1 - powerstroke is a glorified gas burner and I wouldn't get a duramax without the allison, 04-23-2002 09:44:39  
hi



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Rick

04-23-2002 11:22:51




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 Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to go with a Cummins - it will outlast either of those V-8s 5 to 1 - powerstroke is a glorified gas burner and I wouldn't get a duramax without the allison, 04-23-2002 09:44:39  
How do you know that the powerstroke is a gas burner. last time I cheked it had alway been a diesel NOT a gas conversion.



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the original 7.3 diesel (predecessor to the powerjoke) was derived from a 446 gas burner

04-23-2002 11:59:56




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 Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to Rick, 04-23-2002 11:22:51  

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I HATE THE WAY YOU POST!

04-23-2002 14:17:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to the original 7.3 diesel (predecessor to the powerjoke) was derived from a 446 gas burner, 04-23-2002 11:59:56  
But the experts at forddiesel.com say there's all of three parts in common between the 7.3 IDI and the PSD. I suppose You could say the 5.9 Cum-a-part is just like any other engine.... It has pistons & movable parts and they can break too.



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ray

04-23-2002 10:50:46




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 Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to go with a Cummins - it will outlast either of those V-8s 5 to 1 - powerstroke is a glorified gas burner and I wouldn't get a duramax without the allison, 04-23-2002 09:44:39  
I thought all you could get is the Allison with the Japanese Duramax?



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mike

04-23-2002 13:57:35




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 Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to ray, 04-23-2002 10:50:46  
The only thing Japanese about the Duramax is
part of the design,it's totally made in the US.
The raw material is imported (Cast iron,and alluminum)



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Scott M. In Ohio

04-24-2002 03:09:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to mike, 04-23-2002 13:57:35  
How do you figure the Duramax is Japanese? Isuzu is owned by GM and the Duramax Diesel is built in Moraine, Ohio. I work across the street from the Duramax plant. If you would like pictures of it I will get you some. Get your facts straight before you knock something!



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Ford rules

04-23-2002 20:01:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to mike, 04-23-2002 13:57:35  
sounds like if it is designed and made from Jap. materials then it is a Jap. engine. It is hard to be #1 like Ford. Everybody is always trying to knock you down.



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FORD IHC

04-24-2002 09:08:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to Ford rules, 04-23-2002 20:01:29  
IHC NAVISTAR OWNS THE POWER STROKE, AND THEY ALSO WERE CASTING THE BLOCKS FOR THE CUMMINS. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HORSE PEOPLE ARE PULLING WITH ALOT OF THEM HAVE WENT TO MED. DUTY TRUCKS
FOR THE SAME MONEY YOU GET LOTS MORE TRUCK AND LOTS BETTER ENGINE CHOICES. SCHOOL BUSES MECHANICS LIKE THE DT466 AND THE CAT 3116



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Jim

04-24-2002 07:31:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to Ford rules, 04-23-2002 20:01:29  
Ford isn't #1 anymore.



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Ford Rules

04-24-2002 12:00:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to Jim, 04-24-2002 07:31:27  
Ford has always been #1 in trucks. The others are always playing catch-up. I know it is hard to swallow but it is the truth.



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G-MAN

04-24-2002 16:28:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to Ford Rules, 04-24-2002 12:00:18  
Isn't Ford playing catch-up with their body style of the Super-Dutys? It sure looks an awful lot like the Dodges, now doesn't it. You also didn't see much advancement in diesel engines until Dodge broke the wimpy V-8, not turboed diesel mold by installing the Cummins. Dodge's original plan was to sell something like 20,000 Cummins-equipped trucks a year - and they ended up selling closer to 100,000 every year and probably even more than that now. That pretty well shows that a lot of people were waiting for a superior diesel engine to enter the market, instead of just another glow-plugged, naturally aspirated boat anchor. Also keep in mind that Dodge has been the only one to consistently build a real truck throughout their product line - straight front axle 4WDS. And yes, I know that straight axles are available in Fords - but they were always standard in Dodges - IFS is for cars, not trucks. And no, I'm not happy about the IFS in the new Dodge half-tons - it makes them much too Ford and Chevy-like - just a car posing as a truck. I know the new Duramax has more horsepower than the Cummins - but anyone that knows anything can tell you that low-end torque is what gets the work done - and you can't beat a Cummins for that. As far as the Allison goes, Dodge has a transmission that offers compression braking also - just push in the clutch and downshift. It's called an NV5600 six-speed - pretty much bomb proof and offers great gear ratios and tremendous strength - they weigh nearly 200 lbs more than the NV4500 previously used. You do have the inconvenience of having to push in a clutch though - although who would want a big, greasy diesel backed up by a slushbox trans?

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dave_JD420C

04-24-2002 16:12:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to Ford Rules, 04-24-2002 12:00:18  
Ford gives Cummins a complement when they use the B5.9 in their medium duty trucks, the 7000, 8000 series, etc, up to 33,000 GVW, 65,000 GCW. Same with Freightliner with the 6- thru 80 series. the same truck Dodge puts in a pickup, Ford puts in a medium truck. Altho I have had good luck with my '97 dodge, i bought it basically as a wrapper for the Cummins. Now, if only they used the Allison behind the Cummins, or the CAT 3116, or Perkins.

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mike

04-24-2002 19:44:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to dave_JD420C, 04-24-2002 16:12:05  
Cummins never won any fuel economy record with their engine in farm equipment but Yanmar did I would like to see one in a pickup truck. And too bad the japanese don't make the duramax
because then it might be good because GM has done more to ruin diesel engine use than anyone. Just remember the 5.7 L and the 6.2L biggest pieces of crap made bar none.



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scott

04-23-2002 19:09:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to mike, 04-23-2002 13:57:35  
6 cyl engines are best for pulling loads, V8s are good for race cars and concrete mixer trucks.



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dave_jd420C

04-24-2002 16:15:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor pulling in reply to scott, 04-23-2002 19:09:49  
I agree that the in line's are torquier at the low end, but concrete mixers need low end grunt, too. The V-8's just vener were really successful at heavy duty truckin', altho the two-cycle Detroit Diesel 318 V-8 was pretty popular. But for the serious pulling, one needed an in-line six CAT or Cummins.



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