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G-MAN

04-03-2002 20:01:55




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Hi guys, we had a little informal training session tonite - put on by a guy that just came back from Twenty Series school. After the meeting, I took an 8520 for a spin around the section. I have got to say, if that tractor is the future of Deere, the future looks bright. This tractor is equipped with the Independent Link Suspension (standard on the 8520) and the Active-Seat. I can't believe how well this tractor rides and handles. I'm not trying to start another brand war here (this is the JD board after all, and I had enough of that on the Pulling board), but this tractor simply leaves everything else in the dust, as far as comfort, power, lighting, etc. If you find yourself at your JD dealer, and they have an 8000 Twenty, beg, borrow, or steal a test drive. Especially if the tractor has ILS and Active-Seat, otherwise you may not notice a huge difference from the 8000/8000 Ten Series tractors, besides the styling. However, the Twenty series makes standard a lot of features that were optional on the Ten series, so the net price increase from a 8410 to a 8420 is only about 3%. The ILS gives true front differential lock-up instead of limited-slip, which obviously makes the tractor a true four-wheel drive, not just a front-wheel assist. The 8520 is actually more powerful and will outperform a 9120 in the field. Before anyone jumps me for that, row-crop tractors are rated at the PTO, 4wds are rated at the flywheel, hence the horsepower advantage. An 8520 fully loaded also weighs close to or more than a 9120. The High-Intensity Discharge lighting package is tremendous (just like the white headlights on cars). Do not look into the lights, they will flat out blind you. I turned them on on a back street and signs a half-mile ahead were lit up bright as day. Anyway, sorry for the long post. I just wanted everyone to know how impressive these machines are. And to you true JD fans, don't listen to the naysayers, JD is still the top of the heap in the ag market, regardless of what the profit numbers say.

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Chuck McDonald

04-05-2002 06:42:38




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 Re: JD 8000 - Twenty Series in reply to G-MAN, 04-03-2002 20:01:55  
Hi,
Glad to hear that the new JD's are just what a John Deere Should be...THE BEST. However, I am a JD man through and through and so is the farmer that I work for. He bought a new tractor last year and had both a 8000 Ten Series JD and a MX240 CaseIH out in the field at the same time....AND HE BOUGHT THE CIH!!! I have not driven a 8000TEN JD but I REALLY ENJOY OPERATING THAT MX240. In all fairnes though what it really comes down to anymore is what you prefer and they really are all very comperable (well at least JD's and CIH's hehe). If i were farming I would like either one I am sure. And by the way (not trying to cause trouble) but John Deere was really behind Case IH when the MX's came out with dual seats in the cab and 8 tire capability. Anywho, its nice to see that JD's are ahead once again but i wanted to paint a fair view of the competition! Have a great day yall and BE SAFE!
Chaz
aka "JD TRACTOR BOY"

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G-MAN

04-05-2002 07:45:08




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 Re: Re: JD 8000 - Twenty Series in reply to Chuck McDonald, 04-05-2002 06:42:38  
You're right Chuck, everyone is free to chose - I've seen another comparison on the internet between an MX and a 8000 Ten series, and that customer preferred the MX too. To each their own.
I understand having the buddy seat in the cab, but they're not all that comfortable in a Deere, probably to keep people from riding along - because they are intended as training and diagnostic seats. I would much rather have a field office than the extra seat, but once again that is my opinio. The number one advantage to the Deere with the new ILS is that the wheels stay parallel to the ground throughout the whole suspension travel. All Case-IH did was put duals on a regular MFWD axle, so the tires won't have the steady contact with the ground that the Deere system does. The ILS also uses hydraulic pressure to keep the wheels pushed against the ground on rough terrain, greatly reducing road lope and power-hop.
The ILS also adds 1400 lbs to the front of the tractor, that coupled with the duals and extensions, greatly reduces the number of suitcase weights you need on the front - although I am sure you will still see guys running around with full racks, even if it is costing them horsepower. Anyway, I can't wait to see a head-to-head between an MX and a Twenty series. I'll admit the 8000 Tens weren't a huge improvement of the regular 8000 series, which though once state of the art, are now a little dated. The new tractors are a big leap ahead. That's the beauty of competition.

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Deere_Tech

04-06-2002 08:06:30




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 8000 - Twenty Series in reply to G-MAN, 04-05-2002 07:45:08  
I'd love to, but I just can't see it. $150,000 for one of those things. Granted, its a caddy to ride in, and its got lots of nice toys to play with, but I can't afford it on $2.66 wheat and $1.80 Corn, especially if fuel is 1.30 a gallon. I'd rather get a 4850 for $30,000, overhaul it from the weight rack to the hitch pin, spending another $30,000 for a total of 60,000 and have just as "new" of a tractor as this 8520. It will pull the same load in the same field at the same speed. I don't care if I have to pull levers and pay more attention or end up with a rougher ride. Tractors aren't supposed to ride like a car. I wish Deere would build 50 series tractors again and sell them new at the same price they did when they were new. Call it their, "Value line" or something.

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G-MAN

04-08-2002 16:06:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 8000 - Twenty Series in reply to Deere_Tech, 04-06-2002 08:06:30  
I understand your point about recycling a 4850, but if you think it's going to pull with an 8520, you've been breathing too much diesel smoke. You could get comparable horsepower, but you'd better install a zipper on the head to make changing gaskets easier. And that 4850 at that horsepower level is going to burn more fuel, too. As far as pulling power goes, we'll have to wait for the Nebraska test results, but I'm betting that the 8520 is going to have at least 25% more drawbar pull than the 4850. The only 50 series tractor you're going to find to pull with that 8520 is an 8650 or 8850, and you're still going to burn more fuel in those. The new tractors are expensive, but then again your average 1000 acre row-crop farmer isn't going to need a 255 hp tractor, is he? The one 8520 we've sold is going to guys that farm 10,000 acres, and they traded in their 8410T for it. We've also sold an 8120 that I know of. That's going to be a little more in the ballpark of your average farmer. I've talked to a lot of guys that say "I wouldn't pay that much for a tractor", then they get in their $40,000 pickup and drive home to their $200,000 house and park next to the $40,000 luxury SUV that their wife uses as a daily driver. I guess some people just have a little different priorities. Just my two cents.

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SST

04-03-2002 21:02:12




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 Re: JD 8000 - Twenty Series in reply to G-MAN, 04-03-2002 20:01:55  
G-man,
I did the same thing, and I agree. I've driven the TEN series a bit and like them. Especially the smoother shifting over my 8400.

I'll echo the ILS and new seat comfort. I really want to get one in the field and see how the ILS performs.

We do a lot of night work and when I turned on the new lighting I really couldn't believe it.

I'd like to know is if the lighting has to go with the 20 series or if I can retro fit them to older machines.

Stan Thompson

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G-MAN

04-04-2002 05:33:29




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 Re: Re: JD 8000 - Twenty Series in reply to SST, 04-03-2002 21:02:12  
SST - I don't think you can retrofit the package. At least not without a lot of time and expense. It is actually optional on the Twenty series, for about $1500. The lights are supposed to have a 5000 hour service life. They never really burn out, they just get dimmer. They use an electric arc to produce light, instead of a filament. The operation is really similar to a welder.



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