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3020-lots of smoke outta the breather and water/antifreeze disappearing...

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John in Marylan

03-31-2002 16:57:59




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It's on a diesel. Would this indicate a cracked head or blown head gasket or something else? Water does not appear to be getting into the oil, it just seems to slowly go away, then tractor begins to run warm, cause it's low on water. It's on a friend of mine's tractor, any ideas?




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Deer_Tech

04-02-2002 21:15:06




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 Re: 3020-lots of smoke outta the breather and water/antifreeze disappearing... in reply to John in Maryland, 03-31-2002 16:57:59  
Sounds like 2 things going on here.

1. Smoke from ventelator tube is crankcase blow-by. This means combustion products (exhaust) is getting past the pistons. This is usually caused by worn/broken rings and worn sleeves. The only real way to fix this is major overhaul. Get a sleeve set, it will come in the overhaul kit as a set of pistons, already ringed inside the sleeves.

2. The water problem.

If your radiator cap is equiped with a vent/overflow tube, have the engine on the dyno under load and place the end of the tube in glass of water. If you see alot of bubbles then the head gasket is blown. Typically these engines blew the gaskets internally on the head. Exhaust gasses are being blown into the cooling system, heating the water and evaporating it slowly. This is noted by the test above. If allowed to continue, the head gasket will start to seep water around the center of the block on the left hand side.

By the sound of it, since your not reporting water in the oil yet, I would say the sleeves are not cracked, and the o-rings around them are still holding. I would still put it on the dyno at your local dealership and have the test above done on it. I feel fairly confident that you have a blown head gasket and are in need of an overhaul to cure the blow by problem.

Good luck...let us know what it was.


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John in Md.

03-31-2002 17:30:54




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 Re: 3020-lots of smoke outta the breather and water/antifreeze disappearing... in reply to John in Maryland, 03-31-2002 16:57:59  
Open the radiator and look for bubbles,if there are,you are on the right track.If not try looking for leaky O ring or cracked sleeve.If it's running hot it's probably not going to be an easy fix.I don't think I would wait to see if it gets better,it could get expensive.



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John in Maryland

03-31-2002 17:37:01




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 Re: Re: 3020-lots of smoke outta the breather and water/antifreeze disappearing... in reply to John in Md., 03-31-2002 17:30:54  
Well, my buddy is hoping it's sumthing minor, but he really thinks it isn't. He just bought the tractor about 3 weeks ago. He got it for a pretty good deal, guess we know why now. He hadn't used it much since he had it, then he did a little plowing and noticed it getting hot, then so on. Won't be any taking it back though, bought it from a fella and signed the bill of sale "as is."



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John in Md.

03-31-2002 18:05:00




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 Re: Re: Re: 3020-lots of smoke outta the breather and water/antifreeze disappearing... in reply to John in Maryland, 03-31-2002 17:37:01  
The better the deal,the closer you look.Good luck.



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Bill A

03-31-2002 18:01:03




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 Re: Re: Re: 3020-lots of smoke outta the breather and water/antifreeze disappearing... in reply to John in Maryland, 03-31-2002 17:37:01  
I think the first thing I'd do is take the head off. Smoke out of your air breather?? Or do you mean ventilator tube? Maybe you've got a burnt valve somewhere? And, you're losing anti-freeze? If you don't see any leaks anywhere after it's been sitting overnight, and the radiator's not boiling over, it's gotta be getting into your oil. Maybe the head gasket is letting anti-freeze seep into an oil port.
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John in Maryland

03-31-2002 20:39:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 3020-lots of smoke outta the breather and water/antifreeze disappearing... in reply to Bill A, 03-31-2002 18:01:03  
Yeah, out of the ventilator tube thing. I was just over there yesterday and he was telling me about it. He was supposed to put some newspaper under it tonight to check for leaks. I had to drive back to college this morning, so I'm not sure if he found anything out last night. Water maybe getting into the oil, but it didn't seem like it, as it didn't look like it and the oil level hadn't risen, as far as I know. Thanks for the ideas, I'm just trying to figure out what it is, he's supposed to have a guy come take a look at it for him tomorrow.

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Dan S.

04-01-2002 11:17:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3020-lots of smoke outta the breather and water/antifreeze disappearing... in reply to John in Maryland, 03-31-2002 20:39:51  
the water could be getting into the cylinders through a sleve crack and burning with the fuel. when the head is removed, the tops of the pistons would have a a thni glaze that is kinda white (i think thats what color it was) if this is happening. sounds like a pretty expensive problem to me...



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