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I had to resort to a sledge hammer

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BIG JOHN

03-31-2002 06:23:21




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Well after soaking and soaking rear wheel adjusters on my 3020 for months, asking all the helpfull tips, I'm disapointed that I had to beat the living $#@!**& out of the rear axle to free up. I tried to use a pipe over the axle with the notch, thought that would work- ya right!
pounding the end finnaly resulted in movement. Not a great deere design, even the dealer hits the end of the axle. I sell bearings and power transmission equipment for a living- that is the worst thing you can do to the bearings. sorry for the soapbox talk, but after 4 hours and sore arms and all the great ideas. It killed me to have to resort to a sledge..... .

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Frank-in-Tallahassee

03-31-2002 14:25:16




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 Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-31-2002 06:23:21  
Well,

I can report that I have the left wheel off, the wedges out and soaking in the electrolysis bath, and the frozen pinion bolt/gear out of the wheel.

I think I might have a modified method, for those of you that have access to some air tools.

Here's what I did:

Pre-oiled everything. I used my old flushing diesel fuel/motor oil mix. It's cheap and I put it in a squirt oil can.

Loosened both inner and outer wedge bolts, just so everything can break free when it's ready. Tightened jack bolts. I had freed these up previously, so I knew they would turn.

When the jack bolts bottomed out, I used my 1/2" cheapie air impact wrench to bump them in one at a time. I tapped lightly with a 3# hammer the bolts that thread into the wedge all the while the air hammer was bumping on one then the other jack bolts.

After about 2-3 minutes of letting the air hammer thump on the wedge, it moved, and I was able to remove it from the inside of the wheel.

The pinion gear and bolt(shaft) was frozen tight, so I rotated the wheel and axle 180 deg. so the wheel fell free of the rack. I removed the wheel, rolled it outside, and hung it from my engine hoist so I could get on all sides.

I oiled, and warmed the gear and shaft from the inside with only a propane torch, just to get the oil to flow into the rust better. I tried the air impact, and let it hammer for about three minutes, but it would not budge. Then I tapped on the head of the bolt and I saw just a bit of movement, then I used a chisel to try and rotate the gear (I figured if I ruined it I would get another). It seemed that the bolt wanted to slide out, but would not rotate.

So, I took my air rivet tool and out a blunt nose driver on it. I put this in the hole opposite the head end, and let it hammer away. I held it in there for a full 2 minutes, just hammering, until it began to move. I squirted some more oil in there, and let it continue to hammer. The darn thing squirted right out.

Let's hope the right side has as much sense.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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G-MAN

03-31-2002 16:59:54




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 Re: Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to Frank-in-Tallahassee, 03-31-2002 14:25:16  
Sounds like your wheel treated you pretty good, Frank. Trust me though, not every one will come off that easily. I spent a full day once moving the wheels on a 4430, once. It had been used around livestock though, so the manure didn't help matters any. I was actually real surprised when the wheels on my G came off as easily as they did, but I had been periodically spraying the clamps and hubs with penetrating oil over the course of about 8 months, too. I'm sure that helped some, but they really came off quite easily.

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Frank-in-Tallahassee

03-31-2002 18:21:41




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 Re: Re: Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to G-MAN, 03-31-2002 16:59:54  
GMan:

I hear ya. I spent a week on one wheel of a 4440 I re-did after a cab fire. I had to handle those wheel by myself, and I didn't have a hoist or air tools then.

I was very pleased...one down , one to go.

F-I-T



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G-MAN

03-31-2002 14:01:07




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 Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-31-2002 06:23:21  
Howard has the right idea, driving with the bolts loose will usually break them free. Just be careful doing it. I have seen about everything imaginable happen with these wheels while getting them loose. Broken wedges, twisted off jack screws, siezed pinion gears, broken centers, etc. I don't think I have ever seen a bearing failure from beating on the axles, though. In fact, it is darn rare to see axle bearings fail period. Usually they just wear and lose preload - which we check for during our inspections. I have seen axles break, usually a result of a hard shock or somebody nicking the axle while replacing bearings. Deere has finally rectified most of the hub problems now, however. The new 8000 and 9000 twenty series tractors have springloaded wedges and 10 bolt wedge hubs. As soon as you back off the clamp bolts a few turns, the wedges spring apart - very nice. The older rack-and-pinion axles can be a pain, but they sure beat any other system I've seen for moving wheels.

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Howard H.

03-31-2002 08:24:33




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 Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-31-2002 06:23:21  

Hi Big John,

I must have missed the first round of suggestions, so maybe this was already suggested.

But when we have faced that problem with a VERY stubborn set of 6030 rear wheels, we just put pressure on the jack screws to loosen the wedge, and then drove the tractor down the bar ditch alongside the road with the wheel on the lower side of the ditch and swerved back and forth gently... It popped it loose very quickly.

One time, though, that DIDN'T work for a 4840, so we just hooked onto the disk and made a couple of rounds plowing. My brother had to re-tighten the jack screws after the first round, make one more round, and then it popped loose.

That's the way we loosen them out here in the Oklahoma Panhandle, anyway! :)

HTH, Howard Henderson

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rla

03-31-2002 14:25:12




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 Re: Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to Howard H., 03-31-2002 08:24:33  
Your right with the sledge deal. I cracked the out side race on the 3020 by using this method. I thought I tried all known tricks, ran the tractor dailey for 2 years, which included all forms of farm use. By the time I replace the brg, brakes , drilled out & retapped holes it only cost me about 300.00 bucks. Now if I can just get the other one to move? No more hammer's for this puppy. RLA



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Bob F.

03-31-2002 08:22:27




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 Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-31-2002 06:23:21  
I feel your pain. These postings could not have come at a better time. I am currently (1/2 hour ago) trying to free up the hub on a 520. I have resorted to heating the movable part of the wedge red hot with the torch and then beating on the bolts to try to jar it loose. No Luck so far. Dad says to tighten the cap screws up (but not too tight) then drive the tractor for a while keeping a VERY CLOSE WATCH on the wheel, this has sometimes worked in the past to self loosen the wheel. To add insult to injury I stood at a farm sale yesterday and watched the two wedge halves, brand new in the box, sell for $35.00. What a time to have my hands in my pockets. Oh well somebody got a good deal. Good luck with your wheel.

Bob F.

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ChuckW

03-31-2002 07:21:29




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 Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-31-2002 06:23:21  
A veteran JD repairman advised me, never to hit the axle with a sledge as he had repaired the inside working gears many times due to this. I've found that by removing all the bolts using 3/4 drive and cheater and thighting the adjusting bolts to unknow levels of torqe and then by hammering on the bolts if nessecary the wedge will move. I've even destroyed the wedge rather than trying to hit the axle. Those bolts will with enough torqe will break the removable wedge. In installing the wedges back if you don't get this to check and if necessary grind the lip on the wedge to get them to center flush you will have trouble keeping the wheels tight.

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Bob W

03-31-2002 06:37:39




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 Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-31-2002 06:23:21  
Hey John-- I know they can be a real curse to move have worked on Deere for 15+ yrs. The sledge idea is about as effective as any method going and believe it or not,is written up in the tech manual. The design itself can't be that bad as it has been used since the 1940's. If they haven't been moved for years though I can understand your frustration. When I get a real tough one I put a 6' pipe on the Johnson bar,and while keeping a real pull on it,have another guy run the sledge. The last service school I was at had information on the "new" rack and pinion set up which has a change in the wedge angle. Engineering says this will hold well and not be as prone to siezing. I am going to wait 20 yrs or so to see how this goes. Back to your 3020, I don't imagine I have to tell you to clean and lube all parts in the event you want to move them again. Lol, Bob

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Jason

03-31-2002 19:49:28




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 Re: Re: I had to resort to a sledge hammer in reply to Bob W, 03-31-2002 06:37:39  
I had a 4440 that had the wedges stuck and had a dealer tell me to losen the wedge bolts on the inside and the out side we then put a 20 ton jack against the axel housing with a block of wood an against the cast wheel in ten minutes we had both wheels loose .



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