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Dale

03-30-2002 18:18:43

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I would like to know the engine casting number for a 330 or 430 engine block. I bought a M today with a block with # T10966T casting number. I know it has to be out of one of these tractors but am unsure.

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Raye

03-31-2002 06:08:35

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Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Dale, 03-30-2002 18:18:43

You can tell the two blocks aparts very easily,
The lower radiator hose on the M goes to a
housing on the left side of the block,(in
the middle of the block).The 430 block doesn't
have this housing.The M and 330 blocks will
interchange,some of the last M's actually
had a 330 block.

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George

03-31-2002 08:52:28

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Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Raye, 03-31-2002 06:08:35

Some of the last M's had a 330 block? What are you smoking, and where can I get some? The last "M" was built in 1952, the first 330 in 1958. The 330-style block was first used in 330's, and certainly was NOT used in the last "M" tractors. Where do you come up with this kind of wacko information? I'm beginning to realize why Mr. Thinker gets so cranky!!!

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Roy L

03-31-2002 09:28:39

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Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to George, 03-31-2002 08:52:28

George./
Actually Raye is correct even though he kind of phrased it wrong. The 330 used the the late M block AM_745T,

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George

03-31-2002 10:24:20

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Roy L, 03-31-2002 09:28:39

Learn how to read a parts book, why don't you? ALL "M", 40, and 320 series tractors used the M64T (casting number) cylinder block. This block carried the assembly number AM754T, which included : Bayonet oil gauge bushing, front and rear camshaft bushings, camshaft rear seal, and governor shaft rear bushing.

The AT10904 cylinder block assembly included the T10966T cylinder block, front and rear camshaft bushings, main bearing caps and capscrews,camshaft rear oil seal, govenor bushing, oil filler cap and dipstick, filler neck, and pipe plugs. This block was introduced with the 330 series tractors, and was then furnished as the "service"(replacement) block assembly for tractors using the AM754T block assembly (M64T) casting number.

The T10966T blocks were NOT, repeat NOT!!! used in "M" production, as they did not come into being until 6 years after "M" production had ceased!!

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Roy L

03-31-2002 14:51:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to George, 03-31-2002 10:24:20

George/ I guess it depends on which parts book you are using. After your sarcastic post I looked it back up in my parts book and taht showed the AM754T was used through the end of 330 production with the T10966T used as a replacment all the way back to the M/. So figuring that didn't agree with your plesent reminder I looked it up in an older parts book that covered the 420 and 430 only and sure enough that book shows the AM754T ending at the start of 330 production with the T10966T used as a replacment for both the 320 and 330. How are we supposed to keep this straight it even Mother Deere couldn't?

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Raye

04-01-2002 04:38:02

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Roy L, 03-31-2002 14:51:24

Roy,He's full of it.The first 320 was built it
1956,the last M was built in 1955.I've got an
M with the 330 block,my grandad bought it new.

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George

04-01-2002 05:27:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Raye, 04-01-2002 04:38:02

Ok, have it your way, I don't want to confuse you any further with the facts, as it may destroy the finely crafted fantasy you've created for yourself. You should be proud---you're living proof there's no cure for stupid!!

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Adrian H

04-01-2002 05:52:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to George, 04-01-2002 05:27:10

George__
Kind of sounds like you fit in there some where with a missing intelligence gene. You must be related to the Taylor clan

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George

04-01-2002 06:22:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Adrian H, 04-01-2002 05:52:10

Well, there's an old saying---"There's no cure for stupid" and that surely fits Roy and Raye---people who ignore the facts and live in their own little fantasy world. Alas, I'm not part of the G.Taylor clan, but I'd be proud to be, as he provides more good information and advice than most do here.

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Adrian H

04-01-2002 06:36:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to George, 04-01-2002 06:22:10

Gorge__
It doesn't come down to ignoring the facts It comes down to ignoring YOUR facts. As far as "There's no cure for stupid" that's what education is for. I guess that statement is fitting coming from you. You proved your lack of intelligence by letting Taylor impress you.

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G Taylor...sigh,in trouble even while keeping a low profile as of late

04-01-2002 10:39:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Adrian H, 04-01-2002 06:36:41

Adrian or what ever name you are hiding behind today. I admit I've made too many errors by not double checking part numbers,double checking diagrams, not using the spell checker, being hasty or tired, believing a couple of popular old wives tales about JD's, being crusty with fools & using run on sentences. Don't feel threatened or let your low self esteem be threatened by language containing more than four letters. I'm just afarmer's son who grew up driving JD's & spent more time cleaning stables & baling hay than you may imagine. It's a comfort to do those tasks now in leisure rather while desperately eking out a substance living. As for higher learning, it's sometimes wasted educating people past their intelligence, also a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. However without some educated people you wouldn't be as healthy or as comfortable today. That said, this isn't Star Trek were you can cheat the laws of physics, time travel, have wishful thinking come true or alter fundamental mechanical laws & basic chemistry. Sweet Mother Deere built the 1st M's with block M64T then switched to block AM754T later in production of the thermo-siphon engines. The Service replacement block for early engines & used in production of 330 tractors is good old improved T10966T. The dip stick was also moved to the right side as per the 30 series & some very late 20 series Dubuques. Any M through 320 graced with such has had a transplant. I really don't know how Mr Thinker, Clooney, Albert, J.R. Hobbs, Ol John T and several more seasoned pro's here cope with people who in all earnestly swear to " Uncle Doodle turnip cultivating with a high crop 1922 D having factory optional LP & flat top fenders " who then get abusive when told "it wasn't so".

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Adrian H

04-01-2002 11:07:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to G Taylor...sigh,in trouble even while keeping a low profile as of late, 04-01-2002 10:39:37

"Sweet Mother Deere built the 1st M's with block M64T then switched to block AM754T later in production" ____I knew you would come through and prove my point. You should stick to cleaning stables & baling hay and leave the parts history to those who know. Look up assembly AM754T then tell what casting number is on that block.

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G Taylor

04-01-2002 16:48:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Adrian H, 04-01-2002 11:07:29

We can see who is interested in being able to "pee farther" as they feel threatened by youth in their old age. Us young guys will be able to enjoy the hobby more as rude old cusses with people skills honed by years of practice with limited social contact & experience cursing tractors & livestock, die off. Many due to their lack of safety equipment usage as they are "too smart" to get hurt. Your failure to jump all over Roy L's error of "Actually Raye is correct even though he kind of phrased it wrong. The 330 used the late M block AM_745T" with the part number really being AM754T shows your true agenda of biased rage & frustration with "young upstarts". While M64T fails to show anywhere in the late parts system, the assembly of AM754T was replaced with assembly AT10904T using block T10966T. While the 40 & the rest of the collection is currently 180 miles away, the M64T number in hind sight,must be the casting or part number for the M through 320 bare block,sorry. Again no M through 320 left the factory with a T10966T block with the possible exception of the last few 320's just prior to production change over into 330's. Odds of an old M through 320 block left lingering in the parts system & used in a production 330 isn't impossible, but unlikely. Come to think of it though, as an electrician years ago in the Molson's brewery we pulled a few jokes. On occasion other brands of bottles would be snuck through the sorting process, filled with brew & shipped. We must have surprised a few drinkers when pulling a Labatts bottle out of a Molson's case. Next question is , "do you still believe that Deere used the T10966T block back in the M through 320"? They most certainly did not. Why again is your rage & frustration vented all Georges & my way when Roy L & Raye made a slip as well? Poor Kim must get annoyed when her site for information swapping, good natured association & amusement is used for other wise. My apologises for trying to reason with someone who wants to fight instead. Amazing what people will say or gesture as they hide behind a keyboard or in their vehicle. Odds of you being this rude in person is slim

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Adrian H

04-01-2002 18:04:06

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to G Taylor , 04-01-2002 16:48:08

Taylor you screwed up again and are trying with many irrational words to weasel your way out of it again. Tell George he seems enchanted with your screw ups and faulty information. I don't know where you got the idea that I or anybody else said the M through 320 left the factory with the T10966T block. Point that statement out to me please in plain English. The reason I didn't get on Roy for his transposing the numbers is because he didn't try to deceive anybody with his slight typing error and he wasn't trying to be more knowledgeable than he is. There is absolutely no rage or frustration on my part and I am absolutely not arguing with you or anybody else. I am just pointing out your lack of tractor knowledge that has been evident for a long time now and I didn't even have to use any past history to do it. You took care of that with your "Sweet Mother Deere built the 1st M's with block M64T then switched to block AM754T later in production" statement. Don't worry George still loves you and thinks you are great. I am not now or have I ever been impressed with your big words and twisted theories. The shop where I work now is full of BS shooters like you that talk a lot but never seem to have a deep grasp of the subject they are howling on. The ones that impress me are the quiet ones that quietly work away and always have the in depth correct answer whenever a problem arises. I can only guess how your fellow employees view your constant know it all mentality and caustic attitude. My guess is that your boss doesn't even like you and probably thinks you are a pain in the a*ss. I have seen other people have problems with you in the past and after your constant incorrect information can see why. The only good thing that comes from these long in depth argumentative threads is that the regular readers get to know the players so keep going you are showing the people who you really are and what you are like deep down inside.

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G Taylor

04-01-2002 18:21:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Adrian H, 04-01-2002 18:04:06

Looks like you win.

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George

04-01-2002 09:13:48

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Adrian H, 04-01-2002 06:36:41

Well, there are REAL FACTS, and then there are the "sort of facts", or "wishful thinking facts" and of course, the "I don't care what the REAL FACTS are, I'd rather believe the stories I've made up". Evidently you and the rest would rather believe the latter. Oh, and by the way, Mr. Taylor has probably forgotten more about JD tractors than you'll ever know.

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Adrian H

04-01-2002 09:46:14

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to George, 04-01-2002 09:13:48

Well George, there are REAL FACTS, and then there are the "sort of facts", or "wishful thinking facts" and of course then there are "YOUR" facts. You couldn't be farther from the truth on Taylor. He has been posting on this board for a long time now and his knowledge of tractors is very limited. He likes to use big words to impress lackeys like you and some of his engine theories aren't too bad but he knows very little about a farm tractor. Obviously you don't either because you are impressed by his big words confusing statements and misinformation.

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George

04-01-2002 10:11:42

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Adrian H, 04-01-2002 09:46:14

Or could it be that you're jealous because you're not smart enough to understand them?

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Adrian H

04-01-2002 10:26:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to George, 04-01-2002 10:11:42

That must be it, I don't understand them. Unfortunatly neither does anybody else. The use of big words and no content must really impress you. Most of the people that have been using these old tractors for years know the knowledge from the BS. It's the young pups like you that have never farmed with the old iron that can't tell truth from fiction if it bit them in the nose.

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George

04-01-2002 10:45:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Adrian H, 04-01-2002 10:26:17

Unlike you, I do understand the terms that Mr. Taylor uses, and I'm not a young pup---grew up on 2-cylinder tractors, and farmed with them for years. Mr. Taylor might not be right all the time, but at least he tries, and unlike you, doesn't reveal his ignorance with every post he makes.

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Clooney

03-30-2002 18:52:03

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Re: 330 or 430 engine in reply to Dale, 03-30-2002 18:18:43

Dale, casting # T10966T is a replacment for an M,40,320,330. Casting number # T10474T is for a 420.

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