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Craig

03-24-2002 09:33:21

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Buying first tractor. Need to push some snow, scoop manure, cut and bale hay (5 acres/400 bales)Please give me opinions pros & cons of which would be the best tractor. (Can't afford newer lines of equipment)

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Get WD or WD45 and be done with it.

03-25-2002 12:12:47

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

Live PTO, Live hydraulics, Traction Booster hitch, snappy better power, spin out rear wheels, position control, and easy to adapt a 3 point to. LDL.

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Get a life and grow up.

03-25-2002 14:13:08

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Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Get WD or WD45 and be done with it., 03-25-2002 12:12:47

A JD 60 has 37 drawbar hp comepare that to the little wd 45 at 32 drawbar hp! And them little wheels on your AC's are a joke.

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Before you start to joke....

03-25-2002 15:30:57

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Re: Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Get a life and grow up., 03-25-2002 14:13:08

A WD45 gasoline has 38 drawbar HP and the diesel has 39.5 drawbar HP. Also the tire footprint is about the same. Narrow & tall vs wide & short not any difference in the field. Know your facts before you spout.

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Steve

03-24-2002 23:15:07

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

I spent a lot of time on my Grand Dad's farm when I was growing up. He had an H and a 60. The H was the tractor I got to drive to help. The 60 was the tractor I wanted to drive. ..fast forward 40 years, two degrees and years of office work, but still a love of farming with tractors...

I now have a 1020 John Deere and a 60 JD - which came after the 1020 (mostly to hear it go pop, pop, pop). I have good memories about the H ( or M ) vs. the 60 but figured that I wanted it to do some work, and all I have are 3 pt implements. Plus most of what they're making anymore are 3 pt. It seemed to me that the 60 would be happier with 3 pt, as IH were always too stingy to pay royalties on the patents. So I decided to buy the 60.

I'd still like to have an H or an M for old times sake. Maybe my wife will get me one for Christmas. A red and green time of year. I doubt she'll ever make that connection. Dream on.

Anyway, those are my 2 cents.

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Andy

03-24-2002 18:59:51

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

ill admit i like JD more than IH. the M is a dam good tractor my uncle has one and hasnt ever had a problem with it other than things that will go bad in time anyway. but i would go with the 60 due to the live pto and hyds. i wouldnt be able to tell you bout backing wagons or anything but i have backed our 36 B into the shed many more times than i remember feathering the clutch with my foot

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JDman

03-24-2002 17:57:32

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

A John Deere 60 will make a better loader tractor then the Farmall M Because they are much heavier in the back where you need the weight. You can tip the M vary easy.I know! my dad tipped our M with a loader. I have a John Deere 520 and it's much better. Sure the hand clutch is not that good for a loader tractor. But who want to tip a tractor.

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Denny Frisk

03-25-2002 11:13:03

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Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to JDman, 03-24-2002 17:57:32

Hmmmm. Dad's had a loader on His '51 M ever since he bought in new in Dec. '51. The tractor has never "Flipped Over" and it has a narrow front end. I used to move & pile snow with it when I was 10-12 yrs old as high as the loader would go too. Safety is mostly in the operators attitude....and only partially in the equip. I've also seen about 3-4 times more M's & H's with loaders as opposed to the 2 cyl. Deeres. I think the weight bias is closer front-to-back than You think between the 2 models. Lots of the old FARMALLS have been updated with the M&W Live Hyd. And I baled hay many times without live PTO.

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John W.

03-24-2002 15:49:59

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

I have a 60 and a 1950 M with a three point. They are both good tractors. I'm selling the M if your interested. i also have an adaptor plate for a john deere sickle mower to mount on a farmall. I live in iowa . good luck

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The Dukester

03-24-2002 15:40:35

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

Gee, the previous posts are some of the most unpredjuiced appraisals I've seen in a long time. Nothing to add except the 60's are a newer vintage tractor than M's and their live PTO and hydraulics give them an edge. The hand clutch makes backing quite a challange, but if you get a 60 with power steering it really helps offset the twisted position the hand clutch requires. You oughta try 'em out and see for yourself a little bit at least. The M's are great tractors, but they're kinda upstaged by the newer 60's features. Then again, that hand clutch takes some "larnin", especially backing and runnin on a loader, even with live hydraulics. You'll like the live PTO balin' for sure. Tough One-I like both tractors.

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A Man

03-24-2002 12:23:46

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

I am a true john deere man but when it comes to a 60 My two cents they were the worst 2 cylinder made i have more bad stories than good go with A jd or go with a 620 or 720 or 730 these were good tractors

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Tye

03-24-2002 12:51:02

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Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to A Man, 03-24-2002 12:23:46

You call yourself a true JD Man but why do you say that the 60 was the worst 2 cylinder made? The 20 and 20 series were essentially the same as the 60 except for fenders and a float ride seat. If you're having more bad experiences than good with John Deere 60, then get another brand of tractor and take a back seat to the quality of a first class tractor.

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Craig

03-24-2002 14:54:05

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Re: Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Tye, 03-24-2002 12:51:02

Tye, thanks for a followup. I did find Rummy's JD page and his stats show the 20 and 30 having a smaller motor, more horsepower, running at higher rpm, being shorter in length, taller, and heavier. Were these an improvement over the 60? They do ask a premium for used models.

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John

03-24-2002 12:07:00

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

Get a later model 60 with the live PTO and Power Steering. While there is nothing particularly bad about a Farmall M, the 60 is more comfortable, and will hold its value better in both the short and long run. Backing a wagon with a hand clutch is a learned art that takes a little time to acquire, but backing with a Farmall M on which the clutch linkage is worn is worse, as the foot clutch becomes little more than an in-and-out-box. Buy a 60!!!

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Henry J

03-24-2002 12:01:20

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

They will both do the job. That M is a hoss. However I happen to have a green tractor. Did you try posting this message on the IH board lol?

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G-MAN

03-24-2002 11:55:55

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

The first tractor I ever drove was an M, and I own a 60. I think the benefits of the 60 far outweigh
the inconvenience of the hand clutch. I never had any trouble backing anything using a hand clutch tractor. Just throttle it clear down and take your time. It takes time to learn to back up any tractor, just like previously mentioned. I've also seen guys use their foot on the bottom of the hand clutch lever to feather it and ease back. Obviously not the best idea to save clutch wear, but as long as you don't do it constantly, it works. After all, you're doing the same thing easing back with a foot clutch. I know 60s aren't real popular with collectors, because they made so many of them, but they sure are a nice running and easy to operate tractors. Just my 2 cents.

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Steven M

03-24-2002 11:49:01

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

As a kid i had to drive a tractor with a hand clutch. When you are trying to back something,with a hand clutch tractor,look to your left,that way you can work the hand clutch.Mast people want to look to the right. That don't work.
I can back anyting with a hand clutch,vary well. It takes practice to back with any tractor.

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JD70Jim

03-24-2002 11:07:17

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

The comments regarding live pto, hydraulics and powersteering all point you towards the 60. It is true that backing a wagon with a hand clutch is not only a great pain---it is darn near impossible and will greatly increase your vocabulary (assuming you like to curse). However, if you acquire an old "cultivator plate" for the front of the 60 and PUSH the wagons backward, hitching to the little hole you will make in the cultivator plate, all of the complaints about how hard it is to back a wagon using a hand clutch tractor dissapear like magic.

The 60 will easily have better features like the live PTO (you are baling hay, right? You NEED live pto) and powersteering. The 60's seat is more comfy too!

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farmuse

03-25-2002 16:13:09

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Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to JD70Jim, 03-24-2002 11:07:17

What people also do not realize about the hand clutch it can be operated easily by putting you right foot against it without completely engaging it!

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03-24-2002 10:47:48

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

WE have both and both are good tractors,comparable power,live power is nice,but backing wagons with that hand clutch to me is a pain.

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Steven M

03-24-2002 10:17:40

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

The John Deere 60 and the Farmall M are good tractors. But you will like the John Deere 60 better. Some 60s have transmission driven PTO Most will have Live PTO Live PTO work better on a baler,or anything.
The 60 also have Live hydraulic. This is also much better,for loader work.

The Farmall M will not have Live PTO or Live hydraulic. Even the first super Ms didn't have live PTO

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03-24-2002 10:08:43

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Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Craig, 03-24-2002 09:33:21

The 60 has live power and lift which make it the the choice tractor. The M will work for what you are doing, just not as well equipped.

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Walt F

03-24-2002 15:46:38

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Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to DP, 03-24-2002 10:08:43

The "experiences" mentioned before all make good sense, especially backing a wagon in a barn, you cannot (unless you are from another planet or are born with three good working arms) back a john deere with a hand clutch while looking over your right sholder. I tried to back a wagon load of 60lb. round bales in our barn with 3 ft. to spare on each side, i was 17 at the time (55 now) and was determined to back that wagon in, it didn't happen. the 60 will more likely have a live p.t.o. and will have a better hydraulic system. the super m with t.a. and live P.t.o. will cost accordingly more than the 60 for tractors in the same shape wear, tires, ect. but, the super m will (or should) have power to spare over the 60. (check this at the left, H.P.)

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03-24-2002 21:22:16

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Re: Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Walt F, 03-24-2002 15:46:38

Walt, I think it makes a differance what you get used to. I grew up with the hand clutch and never had a problem backing trailers. Was backing 4 wheel trailers in the pit silo every morning from the age of 12. I'd go load and feed a wagon load in the morning before school while dad milked. As the winter went along, it got farther and farther back into that silo to where the silage was. Of course, at the age of 12, I was more than happy to be doing it too!!

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JD70Jim

03-24-2002 17:10:57

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Re: Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to Walt F, 03-24-2002 15:46:38

yES, A Super M will out power a 60, but then, it is in the same hp class as a 70. I think that Craig said "Plain M". He should upgrade to the SM if he has to have a red one, but it will also cost more money and for the same (more) money he can have a 70 or a 620 (depending on condition). If he spends the additional cash that a SM costs, he could also have the DIESEL version of the 70---one of the finest tractors ever made!

For the price range of a 60 or an M, however, the 60 will be better. And read my other post regarding BACKING WAGONS!

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Small time Farmer

03-25-2002 09:00:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60vs IH M in reply to JD70Jim, 03-24-2002 17:10:57

I would have to disagry about the super M out powering a 60. Nebraska tests show the sm at 44belt hp, the 60 at 42belt hp, but they both have 37 hp on the drawbar,I think this is because the 60 has its weight were it does the most good,nearer to the rear axle,this is what also makes the 60 better suited for loader work. IH had to come out with the 450 to try in match power with the 70!

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