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How far to go with engine rebuild

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Brian Forcelle

02-26-2002 07:24:08




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I'm replacing the manifold on my recently purchased John Deere B. Once off, I could see that the surface on tha head needs to be resurfaced. Since the head will be at a machine shop, I figure I might as well have the valves redone--that part seems obvious to me.

But, how much deeper than that should I go? I don't know anything about the history of this tractor. I do know that I paid too much--$2000--considering it had some major problems (too numerous to mention here). I want to get it right and only go this way once, so I've been spending a good deal of money getting to the bottom of these problems.

Question: What should I do in addition to the valves: 1)Pistons and rings or just rings? 2)Push rods? 3)Push rod tubes 4)various bearings?

As I said, I want to end up with a first-rate tractor in A-1 working order. Yet I don't want to waste money. I'd appreciate any ideas.

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Steve 450

02-26-2002 17:46:33




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 Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to Brian Forcelle, 02-26-2002 07:24:08  
Why don't you get a service manual and look up the tolerances for pistons, bearings etc. You could measure your parts and find out what needs rebuilt and what you can get by without. Your best bet if you are going to work the tractor is to fix it right the first time. A "parade tractor" that will run on pavement 5 hours a year does not have to be as durable as one that will plow 50 acres this spring. My $.02

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Ron

02-26-2002 16:16:28




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 Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to Brian Forcelle, 02-26-2002 07:24:08  
Assuming you have a "Gas", "B"....., and the Wrist-pin fit is real good, I would opt for the new rings.... If it is an "ALL-Fuel"... I think I would bite the bullet, and put in an over-bore, High--Altitude Piston Set... The difference IS amazing...Probably over 30 HP at the drawbar.. New seats in the head may be needed, to raise the valves up, if they are sunk too much.... Always a good idea, anyway...then you don't need to worry about "Lead" additives...

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Bguy

02-26-2002 10:08:46




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 Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to Brian Forcelle, 02-26-2002 07:24:08  
Brian, This is the same dilemma I found myself in recently with my B. I don't know how many times I have said to myself "while I'm here" go on and do a good, thorough job. The last thing I wanted was to get it all put back together and painted and then discover a problem and have to tear into it again. Do it right the first time. My .02 worth.



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Dan S.

02-26-2002 08:50:46




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 Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to Brian Forcelle, 02-26-2002 07:24:08  
If you are going to keep the tractor, and use it for long hours, I would rebuild, or replace any parts you can on the engine once you have it torn apart. If you are not going to use it much, just do waht needs to be done to get by. At least thats what I would do....



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John Henry

02-26-2002 08:04:28




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 Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to Brian Forcelle, 02-26-2002 07:24:08  
The way I see it , if it aint broke dont fix it. Do the valve job, pushrod tubes and anything else the head needs. Mike up the cylinder bore and see how much wear is present. Put it back together and run it for a month or so and see how it performs. Then make a decision as to what you want to spend towards it needs. This way you`ll have an idea what else mite be needed and only be risking the cost of a head gasket and your time. If the rest of the tractor is to far gone, then sell the head to someone who needs it. (save all documentation as to what you have done to the head.Will help the sale price)

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ChuckW

02-26-2002 08:37:27




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 Re: Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to John Henry, 02-26-2002 08:04:28  
if I were at your stage...I'd pull the pistons and install new rings...be sure to set you connection rod clearance....remove shims add shims before you pull the pistons....I've found that with ground valve...you'll be using more pressure and it's just an easy step to replace the rings...be sure to get the carbon off the lands.....and also install the oil rings and expanders in the proper position.

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Frank-in-Tallahassee

02-26-2002 11:48:20




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 Re: Re: Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to ChuckW, 02-26-2002 08:37:27  
Chuck:

I agree with you. If you're that close, it's not much more work, and only the the cost of rings and few gaskets to have good compression to go with your new valve job. And I have seen just a valve grind show up as increased blow-by on old rings. You can inspect the pistons and rod bearings then since you'll have them out to install new rings anyway. Hone the cylinders, and you'll have a rebuilt engine on a budget.

I won't say it's my 2 cents, because God knows it always costs more than 2 cents, and I make judgements on when to stop spending money on my project every step of the way.

There is no absolute rule on what to do, check, re-grind, lap, bore, buy, rent, paint, replace, or repair.

It's really in what you want out of the machine. We all tend to forget that these two-bangers are getting pretty old for what we ask of them. But if you want them to do real work, you'll have to feed them some repair money.

So...my opinion ? I never pass up the chance to put in a set of rings if I have the head off and I can get by using just a glaze-breaker in the bores, unless you know those rings are pretty fresh.

Good luck !

Frank-in-Tallahassee
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Stan

02-27-2002 07:39:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to Frank-in-Tallahassee, 02-26-2002 11:48:20  
Can someone please tell me what Glazebreaker is, (tool or process?).



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Frank-in-Tallahassee

02-27-2002 19:02:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to Stan, 02-27-2002 07:39:47  
Stan:

A glazebreaker was the term for a flap wheel or stone, light grit honing device that would just knock the glaze off of the cylinder bore, as opposed to a cylinder hone that was used to both provide surface finish and size the cylinder ( in very small amounts !).

Some glaze breakers used abrasive belt sections, some stones, but a cylinder hone used with fine stones did the same work, but in less time. It was more agressive, so you had to watch what you were doing at bit more closely.

Frank-in-Tallahassee

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JQ

02-26-2002 15:48:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to Frank-in-Tallahassee, 02-26-2002 11:48:20  
YOU MIGHT AS WELL FINISH DOING IT NOW THAT WAY IF SOMETHING ELSE BREAKS IT DOES NOT RUIN THE PARTS YOU HAVE REPLACED AND THEN YOU WILL END UP SPENDING MORE MONEY



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twopop

02-26-2002 17:15:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How far to go with engine rebuild in reply to JQ, 02-26-2002 15:48:58  
you can BANDAID it now so you can do MAJOR SURGERY later,or go see the doctor to keep you out of the hospital.



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