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Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what)

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Jon From Wi

02-04-2002 20:42:04




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I am looking for some sound advice on a trade up I'm considering. What would be the largest recommended JD I could hope to trade for replacing my 8N? I'm mainly looking for more hp, and live hydrolics, and the ability to use my current class 1 impliments (the 8N is approx 30hp and doesnt have live hydrolics) I would prefer to stay with the smaller class since I have quite a collection of 3 point impliments from the 8N. Someone pointed out a 2520. any comments would be greatly appreciated.

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Tredd

05-20-2002 12:18:08




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  

Three years ago I bought my first tractor, a 8N. Yesterday I upgraded to a JD 2510 for the live PTO, power steering, and the 55 hp, but I'm keeping the 8N for the small jobs. If I was you, I would do the same. Keep the 8N or you'll miss it for those small jobs.

Tredd



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Richard Professional Firefighter

02-05-2002 10:31:11




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
I think you should have titled your post without mentioning trading away from the Ford tractor. Truth is the John Deere 40 does have live hydraulics and even was offered as an option the remote outlets. Even if the books say the 8N horse power was more than the 40's at the draw bar. The 40 will pull and lift any of your Fergusson/Ford implements. Better yet, the 40 series are still cheap compared to tractors built in the 60's and the new Deere 420's and 430's. Don't believe me , shop and you will see for yourself.

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Tom Starr

02-05-2002 12:10:45




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 Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Richard Professional Firefighter, 02-05-2002 10:31:11  
Jon,
if you have the bucks to spend check out a new Kabota, they are rugged well built machines that nothing around will hold acandle to.



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Dan

02-05-2002 09:46:28




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
Since the 5-acre farmers have bid up the price so much on the 8N's you have a lot of trading power. Several good tractors have been suggested, but you definitely DO want to keep 3-point hitch, live PTO, and live hydraulics. We have owned a JD 820 diesel for 20 years (1968 model) that meets all of the above specs and has been completely reliable.
If you are going to use this tractor (not show it), forget the H, M, old poppin' john's and old AC's. It is a continual pain working around their old style hitch systems. The D-series allis' are good, if you get a live PTO & 3-point model. The Oliver Super 55 is a great little tractor, but pricy. Drive 'em all for a few hours and pick which ever one you can afford. Don't compomise on the essentials.

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Greg H.

02-05-2002 09:45:28




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
If it is just work you want to do get yourself a 2000 or 3000 ford. If you want a two cylinder get a 520/530. If you want a newer Deere a 2020 would make you a nice machine. I like the old 8n's but Live PTO and Hydrolics would be nice. I always wanted to put a flat head V-8 in dad's when I was a kid. All we used it for was raking hay, and some pasture cutting. I thought It would be so cool raking hay with that V-8 rubling as I idled along in 3rd gear. Dad wasn't amused. Anyhow good luck, Check your fast line magazines for some deals.

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John

02-05-2002 08:38:17




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
The obvious choice is a JD 1020. Small, manueverable, great hydraulics, live PTO, and not much bigger physically than your 8N, more power (38hp) but won't tear up your 8N tools. Ignore the idiots who've suggested such things as a Farmall "M", or A-C WD-45, or any of the rest of it---yes, they are cheap to buy, but there's a reason, and parts availability is bad now and will only get worse for most of the "off breed" stuff. You get what you pay for, and you'll never regret a 1020. Do stay away from the 1010's and 2010's, though, they weren't too good when new, and parts availability is near nil. Good luck!!

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Putt Putt

02-05-2002 08:21:36




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
Hello Jon----

There are a couple of points that should be brought into focus, here. There is probably NO tractor to match your 8N�s nimble agility and just plain �handiness�. In that, Ford �N�s� were in a class by themselves. Your 8N�s drawbar horsepower is 21 and change. Pulley hp was 23 or 24.

As you want to explore John Deere, the question must be broken down as to whether you want 2 cylinder or multi cylinder. In the 2 cylinder column, the 40 may be out. I�m not sure if the 40 was ever offered with live hydraulics. The later 420 and 430 were so equipped. 420W and 430W offer the low slung configuration that you are used to. All would offer a horsepower boost. Larger 50, 520 and 530 are limited to row crop models and become quite a different animal.

Moving to post 1960 multi cylinders, the best advice anyone can offer you is to discard any notion of the 1010 or 2010. These abominations were a low point in JD history. Although some improvement is claimed for the later units of these models, problems with hydraulics, engines, transmissions, clutches (and just about everything else) are legendary. This still leaves you with several optimal choices; 2020, 2510 (the people�s choice), 2520 and some of the later 30 series. The newer you get, the more niceties you get and the pricier they get.

Try not to get too hung up in 3 point lift categories. At somewhere around 30 or 35 horsepower industry standards mandate moving to Category 2. You are almost certain to cross this threshold. The remedy is inexpensive bushings available at Tractor Supply or your implement dealer. Buy a bunch so that one is always at hand.

Although I applaud your choosing John Deere as a replacement, don�t over look a couple other ideas that really jump out as possibilities for you. The Massey Ferguson 35 approached 40 horsepower on a frame not much bigger than the 8N�s. The MF 50 used the same engine on a slightly bigger and heavier frame.

Ford 600-601�s and 800-801�s are a bundle of dynamite in a small package. Amid my JD�s I harbor an old 850 that gets used, a ton. It�s like an 8N on steroids. All of these offer live hydraulics and the 660, 661, 860, and 861 all have LPTO. Stay away from the problematic Select-O-Speed 871�s and 881�s. Don�t forget later Ford 2000�s and 3000�s.

Is there anyway that your budget and space will allow you to keep your 8N for its maneuverability and get a second, larger tractor for extra power? This would open up all kinds of new options for you.

There�s my twenty dollar words for some ten cent thoughts. Good luck and let us know which way you turn.

Putt Putt

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Stan - Forida

02-05-2002 12:01:51




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 Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Putt Putt, 02-05-2002 08:21:36  
Putt Putt,

Excellent, sensible, non-flaming response to a very touchy issue!!

Stan



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Handsome Jim

02-05-2002 15:35:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Stan - Forida, 02-05-2002 12:01:51  
The main thing Putt brought out in the open was that there is a lot to pick from if it is thirty - forty year old tractor that your looking for. $4-6000 dollars sounds like a lot, but just go price that New Kubota that someone else mentioned. And I'd sure advise anyone that hasn't been around tractors to stay away from the old tri-cycles such as the IH M or the AC WD 45. and I'll be color blind as far as that subject goes, I wouldn't even get a John Deere tri-cycle if one of my kids were going to use it, as far as I'm concerned they are all 'widow makers'. Me, I'd have to go with the JD 1020. Why, because it's green and I have two of them in the shed.

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Keith

02-05-2002 09:01:28




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 Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Putt Putt, 02-05-2002 08:21:36  
Obviously you have never driven a JD 1020, don't even say you have. A 1020 is about a 1000% step up from a dorf 2 8 or 9 N. It would out maneuver, out work, out do anything a little ford would. My neighbor has one that he bought new in 71 and it is an absolute pleasure to work with it. I have spent many hours raking for him while he baled on his 4030 on that little tractor. You will pay for a good one, I would say here in TX a nice 1020 can fetch from 4000 up to 8000 depending on condition. As far as the roust abouts go, they are tops. I guess that a dorf 8N is okay for playing but comparing it to a JD 1020 is insane. The entire xx20 series built by JD was and still is best ever built and they hold their value even to the point of being worth more today than new. (with exception of the foreign built 920 etc)

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Brian Taylor

02-05-2002 08:32:24




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 Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Putt Putt, 02-05-2002 08:21:36  
Putt Putt, nice response, you're OK



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Wlbur Wiffenpoof

02-05-2002 07:48:11




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
I'd keep your 8n. Unless you like to hear the Putt,Miss,Putt,Miss stay away from the 2 cyl. JD's that's basically all they're good for. The "shade tree", "wanta be", "weekend farmers" have driven the prices of the 2cylinders up to the point that they aren't affordable anymore thus making the hobby out of reach for most ordinary people, then there are the band of thieves out there trying to make a fortune selling used 2 cyl parts. If you are changing just to change but want a reliable old tractor, cheap, try a 4 cylinder Farmall M or 300, or an Allis-Chalmers WD45. The so called "collectors" are so hung up on the 2 cylinder sound that they have overlooked the quality and smooth power of these old reliable machines, but you better make you move before they wise up.

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Jeff's 40

02-05-2002 11:40:17




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 Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Wlbur Wiffenpoof, 02-05-2002 07:48:11  
Obviously you don�t like two cylinders JD�s since it is not putt, miss, putt, miss. It is PUTT, PUTT, MISS, MISS! And your inflammatory comments about �Shade Tree�, �Wanna Be�, �Weekend Farmers� driving up prices is just wrong! It�s called SUPPLY AND DEMAND, i.e. low supply high demand the price goes up. The prices for good used parts are quite a bit lower than the same part new from JD (as it should be) if you take the time to look around for them. NLA parts are a different story. Again supply and demand will dictate price. I will agree that the sound of the two cylinder Dubuque�s (my personal jab at the horizontal engines) is sweat music. There still is a lot of parts out there for them, but parts for a lot of the other brands are getting harder and harder to find

Have fun and remember most of these old tractors really are just toys that do work for us.

Jeff

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Whine a little louder, why don't you?

02-05-2002 10:53:55




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 Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Wlbur Wiffenpoof, 02-05-2002 07:48:11  
Replace an 8N with a Farmall M or AC WD-45? That's about the dumbest suggestion I've heard. You must be one of those guys who's still ticked off that you can't buy running tractors for $150 anymore--grow up!! The collector's haven't gotten all the 2-cylinder JD's, still plenty out there at reasonable prices, and you can still get parts for them, too. Try that with all the "other brands", none of whose companies exist anymore.

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LL

02-05-2002 16:47:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Whine a little louder, why don't you?, 02-05-2002 10:53:55  
I can still get most any critical part from Allis for my WD and work at an CaseIH dealer in parts dept. and you would be suprised at what is still available. My A JD is another story. Maybe you should reseach before you open mouth. And a D-17 would be the best choice by far.



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Putt,Putt,Miss,miss,Putt,Miss,Putt,Putt,Miss

02-05-2002 11:25:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Whine a little louder, why don't you?, 02-05-2002 10:53:55  
Dumb? huh, Not hardly! For reliability and price you can't beat a Farmall 300 or a WD45. He won't have to listen to the irritating "2 cylinder sound" and he can use the PTO without fear of the power stroke destroying whatever he is running.
The 2 cyl. are one step better than an oxen. You grow up.



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You seem to be in the wrong board

02-05-2002 11:29:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Putt,Putt,Miss,miss,Putt,Miss,Putt,Putt,Miss , 02-05-2002 11:25:27  
If you don't like JD's, and are so fond of all that off-color junk, I'd suggest you infest the IH or AC boards, not this one



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J Coleman

02-05-2002 06:48:03




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
Why be conserned about a tractor that has a category 2 hitch. There are at least two types of adaptors that will make the switch from category 2 to category 1. One type you just tap a sleeve into the holes of your category 2 lift arms with a hammer, which makes it more or less perment category 1. The other type is a sleeve that slips over the pins on the catgory 1 impliments you have, making them category 2 size. These can be slipped on by hand so you can easily move them from one implement to another. Both of these adaptors cost less than five dollars a pair (best I remember). I'm doing this with a 5300 JD which came with category 2 lift arms. You should get these adaptors at a New Holland or John Deere Dealer. My advice - keep your 8N. Check on these adaptors I've so poorly explained and see if your choices for another tractor doesn't increase when you don't limit yourself to just the ones with category 1 lift arms.

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Putt,Putt,Miss,Miss,Putt,Miss,Putt

02-05-2002 12:03:16




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 Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to J Coleman, 02-05-2002 06:48:03  
Dear You Should,
My uncle Earl spent 2 years of his life in VEIT Naim fiting the Japs to give me the rite to speek on any site I so dezir to talk on, Im therfor expertising my constipational rite, dont tell me to go to sum othur siht.



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J Coleman

02-05-2002 18:30:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Putt,Putt,Miss,Miss,Putt,Miss,Putt, 02-05-2002 12:03:16  
Dear Putt,Putt...Etc.
I'm just a simple country boy who does'nt quite understand why you jumped on me. I was in Viet Nam, also, and long enough to want the record kept straight. Japan was on our side (that is Japan aided The United States of America)during that little conflict. So, if your uncle was "in VEIT Naim Fiting the Japs" he wasn't fighting for YOUR constitutional rights. Let's let it be known that I defended the rights of people who can't keep their history straight and your right to speak your piece, even on off subject matter on this board.

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Brian Taylor

02-05-2002 20:36:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to J Coleman, 02-05-2002 18:30:50  
I don't think that clown was talking to you I think he was addressing "you seem to be on the wrong board" but he responded to the wrong message. I think maybe he got too close to the microwave oven and it fried the government plate in his head.



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Handsome Jim

02-05-2002 19:40:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to J Coleman, 02-05-2002 18:30:50  
I think you got the wrong Putt Putt Rambo



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Putt Putt

02-05-2002 19:04:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to J Coleman, 02-05-2002 18:30:50  
Mr. Coleman----- -

Please don't confuse the nicknames. I, too, served in the Nam and wonder where this fellow saw all those "Japs". I saw Vietnamese, Aussies, New Zealanders, ROKs and Charlie at every turn. Never saw a "Jap". Guess I didn't have the full experience. Anyway I didn't,nor would I,slam you.

Have a great day, my friend.

Putt Putt



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Try hooked on Phonics!!

02-05-2002 12:33:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Putt,Putt,Miss,Miss,Putt,Miss,Putt, 02-05-2002 12:03:16  
Yes, indeed, you have a constitutional right to be an idiot, and it appears you exercise it often.



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Lee V.

02-04-2002 21:58:39




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
I just got a 851 Ford Diesel and I love it.40+ horsepower and 5spd. If you want live hyd. you would need a 861. So far my 2 john Deere's are being restored and hopefully to show someday..



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Tyler B

02-04-2002 21:33:00




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
I would recommend (if you are wanting something newer than a two-cylinder) a 1010, 2020, 2010, or a 1530 diesel. These are all in the 8N style with a low profile and a swept-back front axle. They also have live hyd. with a good 3pt system. Personally I would recommend something like the 1530 because of the hydraulic brakes. Those old systems on the 2010 and such were a pain. The only thing with some of these is that a 3cylinder diesel is very noisy and also can carry a bit more price than a running condition two-cylinder.

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Fred Mills

02-04-2002 21:29:11




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
The JD 40 has less hp than your 8N. It has 24.5 pto and 22 drawbar. No live power. It steers slow too. I have a 40 standard.
I would look at these tractors: Oliver super 55 or 550, A 30-35 hp IH with live power and hydraulics. Don't consider a JD 1010. Later JD 30 hp tractors are good.Later Ford tractors with live power and hydraulics are also good.I up graded this summer from an 8N to an IH 340 U. I like the 340(35 pto hp, live power and hydraulics, remotes), but my Ford sure was nimble and did great plowing and discing. The D series Allis Chalmers were good too. The D-17 is an outstanding tractor(50 hp range.)

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Richard

02-04-2002 20:57:16




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 Re: Trade up from my 8N to a JD(what) in reply to Jon From Wi, 02-04-2002 20:42:04  
Even cheaper and every bit as useful as the 8N would be the Deere 40 series, 420, or 430 in the utility or standard configuation. Live hydraulics, pto, 3-point and the horse power will be close to 30 or more.



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