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Super 55

01-20-2002 16:26:33




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Last week I posted a question about a John Deere crawler my neighbor had. It 's sittling on his property with the salmon berry bushes starting to take possession, but it looks in decent shape. However it needs a new engine. It has water in the oil. Thanks for the link to the 440 crawler page. From that info I found out it is a 1958 440 for sure, serial # 442546. Has a front blade on it. If you know where he might look for an engine or if any other model John Deeres used the same engine I would appreciate any info to pass on.

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Dave coates

01-14-2003 08:46:30




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 Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Super 55, 01-20-2002 16:26:33  
Hi i noticed in your first post you said there was a 440 page?? where can this be found??



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Handsome Jim

01-20-2002 19:41:59




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 Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Super 55, 01-20-2002 16:26:33  
I thought all of the 440 crawlers were powered by the 2-53 Detroit diesel.HJ



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Super 55

01-20-2002 21:28:21




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 Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Handsome Jim, 01-20-2002 19:41:59  
nope that's the 435 according to the Buyer's Guide by Robert Pripps.



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Handsome Jim

01-21-2002 14:17:06




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 Re: Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Super 55, 01-20-2002 21:28:21  
Well maybe not all of them had the Detroit but I can tell you for a fact some of the crawlers did, we owned one back in the sixties.HJ



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Brandon

01-21-2002 18:10:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Handsome Jim, 01-21-2002 14:17:06  
I believe you. The diesel version was pretty popular when Deere started making them. Wheel tractors and crawlers had a choice of either engine.

Brandon



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Handsome Jim

01-21-2002 19:18:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Brandon, 01-21-2002 18:10:32  
I was surprised to learn that the 440s even had a gas engine. I thought that the big diff between the industrials and the Ag models were that the Industrials all had diesels. Thats why I hang around this board, after being around JDs for over forty years I still learn something every day.HJ



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Brandon

01-21-2002 20:08:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Handsome Jim, 01-21-2002 19:18:44  
You want to learn something really strange? There were 10 440 crawlers made with All-fuel engines.

Not exactly a popular option. But avalible because the 430 had the same engine.

Always good to learn a new thing!
Brandon



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Brandon

01-20-2002 22:06:47




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 Re: Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Super 55, 01-20-2002 21:28:21  
The 440 came out with both gas and diesel engines. The gas engines were from the 420/430, and the diesel was the 2-35 Detroit (same as the 435).

In fact, the 435 was based on the 440.

Brandon



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440Sam

01-20-2002 18:50:48




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 Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Super 55, 01-20-2002 16:26:33  
Super55:
You must be an Oliver Man. I had a Oliver Super 44 once. My Uncle currently owns a Oliver 440 and a 550 Industrial with a backhoe and loader. Now to the Yellow 440 crawler. A late 420 (slant steer) or a 430 engine is the same as a gasoline 440. The way you tell these engines is the oil dip stick is combined with the oil filler cap and is located on the side of the block (the early 420 engines oil fill was through valve cover).
Hope this helps, Sam

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Super55

01-20-2002 21:25:19




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 Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to 440Sam, 01-20-2002 18:50:48  
Okay, I actually found a guy who may have a motor out of a 440 available. Yeah, I'm not much of a Deere person, although I do like them. I like all the tractors, but I'm restoring my first tractor an Oliver 55 and seem to be hooked on that green. however, I bet I own a Deere one day.



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Ray

01-20-2002 18:08:22




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 Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Super 55, 01-20-2002 16:26:33  
The 420 or 430 motor will work,430 is the same,
420 has a different dip stick and oil fill.If
you use the 420 you will have to take the hood
off to put oil in.The 430 fills through the
dip stick hole.The motor might be the least of
your worries.There's a lot of expensive stuff
there to have problems with.To begin with frozen
clutches,the top tranny gears can rust,because
there above the oil in the tranny.Water can run
down the shifter lever into tranny and freeze.

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Steamer

01-24-2002 14:27:19




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 Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Ray, 01-20-2002 18:08:22  
Hi,

Not necessarily. My 1958 420c crawler/dozer has the later block. This means it has the larger dipstick opening that is also an oil fill. It also has the older valve cover on it that allows the oil fill to protrude through the hood.

This allows me to choose which oil fill to use, although with the 62 blade attached, it's far easier to use the upper filler than the lower one.

Anyway, it's obvious to me that the change in the dipstick on the block was a running change during the 420 production, and it's possible to get an engine from a 420 that is the same as used on the later machine.

Stan

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Super 55

01-20-2002 21:22:04




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 Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Ray, 01-20-2002 18:08:22  
Thanks for the tip. He has it covered with a tarp and a large piece of fibreglass, hopefully it will help keep out the water. He said he drove it into his place.



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charles ethridge

01-20-2002 17:04:08




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 Re: 440 in the bush in reply to Super 55, 01-20-2002 16:26:33  
super 55, not for sure, but 440 tractor and 430 and maybe the 420 dozers and crawlers and tractors use basily the same engine, have to check the bell housing and shaft size, but you may can rebuild that engine, having water in the oil does not mean anything at this stage. there are several engine rebuilders and kits for this.
am rebuilding a 440ic now serial # 441461, check with local people who are restoreing old tractors ,dealers close by,clubs in your area

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Super 55

01-20-2002 21:19:55




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 Re: Re: 440 in the bush in reply to charles ethridge, 01-20-2002 17:04:08  
Thanks for the info. I was reading up in the Deere books I have. Most of them don't mention too much about this model, but it does use the same engine as the 430 according to the "Collector's Guide".



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