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730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE?

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Ben.So.Tex

12-22-2001 17:58:04




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I have rebuilt the regulator and ajusted it to spec, 5/16 inch clearance on diaphram,,check valve for 20 clearance, compression 120 lbs both cylinders,,Tractor will start,but will not go to full throttle,start to cut out like it is starving for fuel....set regulator at 1/4 inch will start.. will go to full throttle,but I have to do it REAL slow,, if I advance the throttle to quik it start cutting outand will die. {I have ajusted it to 3/16 and it starts to hiss in the regulator and will not start at all.} OH I have to have the neddle at the bottom of the carb open all the way,,,What have I not check? HELP BEN

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Mark

12-24-2001 23:04:11




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 Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Ben.So.Tex, 12-22-2001 17:58:04  
I had a 4020 LP that gave me fits for awhile. I
don't remember much about the tractor prior to the engine overhaul as I overhauled it immediately after purchasing the tractor and that has been 10 years ago. Seems that I was able to get the tractor started and operational at the dealership prior to the purchase. During the trial and purchase I didn't realize that the weep holes on the side of the block were there to tell you when either your water or oil "wet sleeve" seals were leaking. You guessed it, they were leaking. I found out during the overhaul that someone had replaced them previously and put the wrong seal against the wrong fluid. One is red and one is black. One is made for water/ethylene glycol, and the other for petroleum products (crank case oil). They had deterioriated and started leaking.

I found that the after market JD service manual was helpful and I did as it said both during the overhaul and during the subsequent "trying to get it running right". I couldn't get it to run and take throttle advance and all of the things mentioned in your correspondence. I agree with having the air inlet properly terminated. I did an overhaul of the regulator, thinking that might help; even called the company (that made the regulator) in CA. and asked their advice. LP instructions in the service manual were quite extensive and good but the problem persisted. Nothing solved the problem. It just didn't make sense.

In short, I was looking in the wrong place for my problem. During the overhaul, I did as the manual said. Part of that process was the setting of the engine to TDC prior to setting up the distributor. WHAT I MISSED WAS ONE SHORT SENTENCE WHICH SAID SOMETHING LIKE "..... WHEN YOU HAVE FINISHED..... .ADVANCE THE TIMING TO 25 DEGREES BTDC.

A 100 hp 4020 WILL NOT RUN @ TDC, but if you give her some spark advance she runs sweet. Have had no more problems since and probably had no problems with the fuel system; as I said, it ran good enough for me to want to buy it.

Since I don't know what else you have done to your tractor, I offer this as a possible solution in case you are coming out of an overhaul or have just acquired this machine.

Good hunting.

Mark

(PS) I did notice that if you shut off the 4020 engine when it has been running, by turning the key off, the 12 v fuel inlet solenoid closes and shuts off the tank (and of course the distributor looses 12 v), but there is still tons of fuel in the system. If you try to restart prior to the engine cooling, forget it. What works is shutting off the manual fuel valve to the tank and let the engine stop as a result of fuel starvation. Then restart it any time you want just like starting a cold engine (throttle to full open and a second or two of full choke then no choke - with a good hot battery and 15w 40 oil) and she kicks right off, while reducing the throttle as she comes up to 1000 rpm (redline is 1800)puring like a kitten.

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Eugene swia

12-23-2001 04:42:36




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 Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Ben.So.Tex, 12-22-2001 17:58:04  
This is way out in left field but how about checking points,condenser and spark advance in dist. Later, Gene



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Ben.So.Tex

12-23-2001 05:02:28




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 Re: Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Eugene swia, 12-23-2001 04:42:36  
I did chek he points for porper gap, but I did not change the condencer.



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MIke C.

12-23-2001 00:37:30




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 Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Ben.So.Tex, 12-22-2001 17:58:04  
Do you have all your air intake installed? I had a 70 LP that I did some work on once and tried to run with
the carb open and all it would do is idle. If you gave it any throttle at all it would just die. I had my LP gas man to look at it and he suggested reconnecting all the air intake and then trying it.
Ran perfect after doing this.

Mike C.



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Ben So.Tex

12-23-2001 05:00:15




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 Re: Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to MIke C., 12-23-2001 00:37:30  
Yes I have all the air cleaner together with oil in the oil bath, I have even taken the air cleaner apart and cleaned it.



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Tom in Mo.

12-22-2001 20:16:21




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 Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Ben.So.Tex, 12-22-2001 17:58:04  
I have had this same problem with a 630 LP. It's getting too much fuel. I found this out by using the tank valves as a regulator. Just barely cracking the tank vapor valve would let the engine start and run but just a little more on the valve and it would start missing (like it was starving out) and eventually die. I also noticed that if the tank valve was open too much it would boil vapor back through the oil bath air cleaner. Try screwing in the large needle valve centered on top of the carb just a little at a time. Note: the LP carbs are real simple but have O-rings that will go bad over a few decades; if they leak you'll get a lot of fuel.

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Ben.So.Tex

12-23-2001 05:10:17




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 Re: Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Tom in Mo., 12-22-2001 20:16:21  
I didnt notice a neddle on top of the carb, but will look a little closer, It dose have a manual choke rod that is on top of the carb that is parallel with the fan shaft.



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Tom in Mo.

12-23-2001 05:49:19




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 Re: Re: Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Ben.So.Tex, 12-23-2001 05:10:17  
Ben, It isn't a needle. It's about 2" long, 5/16 diameter and brass with a small roll pin through the end. It is centered between the barrels of the carb laying almost flat and parallel with the barrels. If the O-rings are bad, it will let too much vapor thru.



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Thank Tom That was it

12-23-2001 09:33:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Tom in Mo., 12-23-2001 05:49:19  
When I came home from church,I went and turn the 5/16 rod you explained, and the tractor fire off, I was able to bring it to full RPM without it cutting out I took it out of the shed and adjusted it some more and I can put pressure on the brakes to may it pull and it dose not start cutting out,,,But I left the two neddle loose at the bottom of the carb and one of the fell out,so now I have to see if I can find it,,Thank You and all those that replyed ... Ben

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BillW

12-22-2001 18:25:23




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 Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Ben.So.Tex, 12-22-2001 17:58:04  
I've not worked on a deere regulator but I have worked on others.
They have a primary pressure valve that is usualy set at about 4 psi. if that is your problem it can cause your symptoms.
You will need a low pressure gauge and check your pressure at a port close to the primery side.
It is usually adjusted by removing a cap and adjusting a screw under that cap with a screw driver. but I'm not sure if thats how the deere is set up.

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Bill is right

12-23-2001 14:05:19




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 Re: Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to BillW, 12-22-2001 18:25:23  
I think the fuel pressure is low.



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Ben.So.Tex

12-22-2001 18:32:20




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 Re: Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to BillW, 12-22-2001 18:25:23  
This a model H regulator,by century thanks Ben



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twopop

12-22-2001 19:47:50




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 Re: Re: Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to Ben.So.Tex, 12-22-2001 18:32:20  
have you changed the filter in the fuel solenoid?



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Ben.So.Tex

12-23-2001 04:55:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 730 LP,,,, WHAT COULD THE PROBLEM BE? in reply to twopop, 12-22-2001 19:47:50  
No I have not change the filter,I do get gas after I turn the switch on, with good pressure



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