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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 16:47:45




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Not John Deere




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Newgen

12-02-2003 17:18:01




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
Casepower, this board is for people who have reached a higher level of maturity (not to mention command of the english language} than you, so why don't you go back to your little bashing board and talk about who's gay and what people do with sheep and whatever else people on the 6th grade level talk about-



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SOLID, STABLE, AND STILL

12-01-2003 21:46:37




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY



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GreenBoy

12-01-2003 20:32:58




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
Casepower is just jealous that we play with the good toys & he is playing with the poor boy toys. All colors are always trying to attack the big dog. I think they think it will get the values of their barns full of scrap iron up. Sorry casepower, it is not working.



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CASEPOWER

12-01-2003 18:06:21




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
HaHa I love it when you green Deereoids get heated. The fact is the tractors are fair it's the owners that are the arrogance problems. The fact is if one reader relized that deere didn't build the first steel plow that before thought did and there are alot of them it was worth the time and trouble. Next leason coming soon at a board near you!!!



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A JD owner

12-02-2003 16:49:12




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 Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 18:06:21  
You guys see that. All he wanted to do was stir the pot. Looks like he did that. Hey, Casepower. I think Flambeau red is a sissy sounding name for ORANGE!



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Cletis

12-01-2003 18:14:14




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 Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 18:06:21  
Whut?!:?

Kin yew spel sum betur nexht tahm yew post?!?

Dang! Ah shur ahm imprest width ur larnin'

Ah shur wahl lissun too yew rill close nest tahm 'cause yew ar sher tellergent!

Put your tooth back in and go home.....



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tom

12-03-2003 08:45:55




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 Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Cletis, 12-01-2003 18:14:14  
Cletis,

Don't let an idiot get you so riled-up next time...however, there are a lot of great farmers and folks on here that can not spell or articulate their thoughts without fault.

Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you everytime, or make you do something you would not normally...

good luck my friend,
tom



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deerepower

12-01-2003 06:41:37




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
I did as CASEPOWER suggested and did an internet search for "first steel plow". Most every site acknowledged that John Deere did not invent the steel plow, he just made one that would actually work and then successfully marketed it! (Specifically, it scoured better, as someone below mentioned. I doubt that if the guy that invented the first wheel had made it square that it would have been such a success! The Wright brothers might not have built the first airplane, but they made the first one that would FLY, a pretty important feature for a plane!)

There is one site that a 6th grader put together that does make the claim that John Deere did invent the steel plow, however, most of the participants in this John Deere forum are astute enough to understand the distinction. Some visitors to this site who enjoy the merits of other tractors are understandably less informed.

I also found this on the John Deere website: History FAQs

"Did John Deere build the first steel plow?
Yes and no. By the early 1830s, many blacksmiths were experimenting with ways to incorporate steel into plows. While John Deere probably shares the invention of the steel plow with other blacksmiths, he was the first to successfully commercially manufacture such a plow."

So there you pretty much have the company refuting the claim also. It seems as though the idea that John Deere invented the steel plow is only the perception of an uniformed minority.

One interesting thing I found out is that the idea of a cast iron plow was around for years before it was used....the farmers thought the iron would "poison" the soil!

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Handsome Jim to CaseNoPow

12-01-2003 16:48:00




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 Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to deerepower, 12-01-2003 06:41:37  
Friend, Mr. CaseNoPower will tell you that he checked his facts and that is what he is basing his conclusion on, facts just like the time he was preaching on the Case-IH, Sperry Rand, New Holland,New Idea board how JI Case built tractors that practically defeated the Nazis. Folks sure get bitter when their tractor company goea out of business.HJ



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deerepower

12-01-2003 16:58:11




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 Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Handsome Jim to CaseNoPow, 12-01-2003 16:48:00  
I just envy the fact that he doesn't have anything more important to sweat and stew about...it must be nice to go through life so obliviously obtuse.



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Joe P.

12-01-2003 05:32:10




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
Actually, as one other post said, Deere did make the first "self scouring" "steel" plow out of a mill's saw blade. The website casepower refers to talks about something totally different - the first steel plow as compared to wooden ones used before. Cast iron was used before Deere made the saw-blade "steel" plow which scoured MUCH better in the midwestern soil. The cast iron plows worked OK in New England rocky soil but would gum up terribly in the midwestern prairie clay. So, in summary: Deere did NOT invent the first "metal" plow. Cast iron plows had been around for a while before Deere made his "steel" (as comapred to "iron") plow. And indeed Deere did do a much better job marketing his product than the competition.

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Indydirtfarmer

12-01-2003 02:28:06




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
That should read "John Deere invented the first SUCCESSFULL steel plow" The others didn't work quite as well. John



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Dale

11-30-2003 18:44:00




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
I have never seen printed that Deere Invented the steel plow. What I recall is "He Gave The World The Steel Plow". I think this is a dead issue. Harley did not invent the V-Twin motor but everyone thinks they did. Good marketing & diversification kept both companies alive.



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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 18:57:08




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 Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Dale, 11-30-2003 18:44:00  
Put in a search for "First steel plow" and see how many folks think he built the first steel plow.



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Dale

12-01-2003 07:38:03




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 Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 18:57:08  
I did as you said. I typed in "First Steel Plow"

#1>Link

(In>Link his blacksmith shop located on this lot, John Deere made the first successful steel plow in 1837. In contrast to previous models, Deere's plow, with its steel share and carefully shaped mold board, turned the sticky black earth polishing itself clean and thus helped open the vast rich prairies to agricultural development)

#2>Link

(Deere>Link & Company’s plow history began back in 1837 when John Deere, the blacksmith of Grand Detour, Illinois, spotted a broken sawmill blade and had a "Eureka!" moment. What he saw in that shiny piece of steel was the answer to local farmers’ plowing problems.

While John Deere was not the first to build a plow, many Midwestern prairie farmers believed the blacksmith’s design was by far the best.

That’s because traditional cast-iron plow designs did not work well in these sticky soils. A new design was desperately needed and John Deere discovered it — a steel moldboard that scoured the sticky earth and polished itself at the same time!)

#3>Link

(A>Link steel plow built for the prairies
This steel plow was John Deere's answer to the heavy, sticky soils of the American prairies. Deere was a Vermont blacksmith who, in the mid-1830s, headed west and eventually settled in Grand Detour, IL. There, he found that the wood and cast-iron plow that was used in the eastern United States was not suited to the Midwest. Deere began experimenting. In 1836, he invented the first steel plow that could till prairie soil without clogging.)

CasePower, I did as you said & this is what I come up with. The closest thing I see to your claim is This last web site that says (In 1836, he invented the first steel plow that could till prairie soil without clogging.)

They way I see it is the only person claiming that Deere invented the first steel plow is YOU!!!

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Saadiq Garner

10-09-2005 18:02:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Dale, 12-01-2003 07:38:03  
John Deere was an Illinois blacksmith and manufacturer. Early in his career, Deere and an associate designed a series of farm plows. In 1837, on his own, John Deere designed the first cast steel plow that greatly assisted the Great Plains farmers. The large plows made for cutting the tough prairie ground were called "grasshopper plows." The plow was made of wrought iron and had a steel share that could cut through sticky soil without clogging

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Duane Larson

11-30-2003 17:48:55




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
CASEPOWER,
This matter is well known and has been debated for many, many years. John Lane, as well as several others, all apparently unknown to the other, utilized steel in their plows in the early-mid 1830's. What is true is that John Deere patented his idea and managed to build it into a stalwart of the plow-making industry. Others did not. John Deere Company has been involved in the frey, especially in 1937 when the Company centennial research was being done.

It is not something we will be able to resolve on this site!

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Cletis

11-30-2003 17:18:16




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 Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 16:47:45  
So.....

Just how many Lane tractors does Casepower own?

Must have a been famous only in a small area.....



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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 17:37:39




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 Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Cletis, 11-30-2003 17:18:16  
Just tired of hearing about deeres first steel plow. By the way deere bought there way into the tractor buisness. Case built there way. Good Day!!



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Cletis

11-30-2003 18:02:24




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 Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 17:37:39  
Well, I'm just tired of guys who have to come to a perfectly placid forum and stir the stick!

You're just ticked off because Cases are now red, the color of the ink that both companies had on their books when they merged.....

Let the JD guys have their place and you stay at yours.

Is that so difficult?



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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 18:04:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Cletis, 11-30-2003 18:02:24  
AWE whats wrong is your flywheel loose??



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Cletis

11-30-2003 18:10:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 18:04:45  
Naw, I think the problem is with your crank.....



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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 18:11:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Cletis, 11-30-2003 18:10:28  
Yeap it's wound mighty tight!!!!! !!



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johndeere_doc

11-30-2003 17:45:27




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 Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 17:37:39  
Yeh but it kind of funny john deere is still john deere what is case? what is it now agco changes so often can't keep track of it. So they must be doing something right.



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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 18:01:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to johndeere_doc, 11-30-2003 17:45:27  
Don't matter to me. My tractors are antiques. I prefer tractors that don't loose there flywheels or beat the bearings out of equipment while on the belt. I have owned and ran deeres on and off the belt just prefer Case then all the other colors then a murray lawn mower with a broken rod then a deere. I guess there ok for parades if you like that kind of stuff. My point to start was that John Deere did NOT build the first steel plow and they didn't build the first tractor either like most are passing on to there kids they did. If you really want to hear my opinion then you can find me on the Bashing Board, but for now I say goodbye before Kim decides to banned me.

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Robert in W. Mi

11-30-2003 17:55:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to johndeere_doc, 11-30-2003 17:45:27  
HUH????? ????? AGCO is STILL AGCO, is it not???? They have NEVER been bought or sold!! They make $$ selling equipment, unlike deere, who is staying afloat selling lawn mowers to yuppies!!! Robert



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motrack

11-30-2003 18:24:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 11-30-2003 17:55:21  
Agco may still be Agco but you never know who is building their tractors from one year to another.

Try to get parts for some of the early Same built Agcos. I spent my time in the dealership. Allis Chalmers, Deutz Allis, and then Agco....experienced this 1st hand.



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Robert in W. Mi

12-01-2003 19:32:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to motrack, 11-30-2003 18:24:40  
First of all, i now own Allis Chalmers, Deutz, and a couple SAME built AGCO's, along with deere tractors, and several others. I've NOT had any of the problems you have alluded to in your post about AGCO.

Secondly, do you have any idea how many of the deere tractors that are built in other countries??? Japan, China, Germany, and with parts from all over the world!!! You are liveing in the past if you think deere is building many American tractors these days!

How about the latest Deere big dozers??? Do you know who "builds them" for deere??? And how about those Hatiachi/deere excavators???

Do you really think deere builds all there own tools? (tillage ect..) They paint Howard tillers (rotavators) green, and sell them for several hundred dollars "more" than you can buy the same model Howard for!!! Best part is, Howard keeps the good models for them selves!!

NO ONE has a full like of American built tractors, or tools!!

Robert

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motrack

11-30-2003 18:22:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 11-30-2003 17:55:21  
Agco may still be Agco but you never know who is building their tractors from one year to another.

Try to get parts for some of the early Same built Agcos. I spent my time in the dealership. Allis Chalmers, Deutz Allis, and then Agco....experienced this 1st hand.



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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 18:03:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 11-30-2003 17:55:21  
If they say they don't have to walk a maze to get to the parts counter around the lawn mowers at there deere dealer there fibbing!!



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Cletis

11-30-2003 18:12:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 18:03:24  
Yeah, that thing they call "Product Selection" sure can get in one's way....



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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 18:18:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to Cletis, 11-30-2003 18:12:06  
Yanmar products and Kawasaki products. I would rather my company be sold then stoop to that low level of resale!!



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motrack

12-01-2003 17:08:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel plow in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 18:18:38  
isent your compny now owned by FIAT..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..



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Cletis

11-30-2003 18:20:20




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Uhhhhh....your company WAS sold..... .



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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 18:29:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First steel pl in reply to Cletis, 11-30-2003 18:20:20  
Last time I went out I seen a tractor that was new and still said Case and I was really impressed I seen a off road dump truck like a Terex exept it was a shiny new Case and it was getting loaded by a Case trackhoe. Still selling the Case name. But again I own antique tractors and don't believe I would enjoy them like I do if they were selling jap engines, toys, pillows, mail boxes, sheets, cups, and paper plates. Not to manley of a tractor Co.

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Big JD

11-30-2003 19:07:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First stee in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 18:29:22  
CasePower-I have to agree with you about "Jap" engines. There are many good American made motors that could be used. As far as toys, parents want to buy children things that will last for their entire childhood. A John Deere pillow is something you can comfortably lay your head on, but a Case pillow will only give you a crick in your neck. A postman would probably put junk mail into a Case mailbox. I believe people would have bought more Case tractors, if they were able to afford to put fuel in them.

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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 19:16:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First in reply to Big JD, 11-30-2003 19:07:39  
Good point, but, John Deere advertized the best fuel economy per acre and they were the best per acre at 1/2 mile per hour slower on average per acre looseing you 20 miles of plowed field a week on a 40 hour week. John Deere dealers would have made the best used car salesmen in the world. Go to any tractor pull or go plowing. It takes a 2 cyl. a longer to get the same amount of work done, but at the pulls it gives me a chance to get a hotdog and drink.

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720diesel

12-01-2003 17:17:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fi in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 19:16:09  
Casepower,you must be able to get that hotdog and drink really fast because the last time I checked it took the Case tractors just as long to get down the tracks as John Deeres.Besides it's not to see who can pull the fastest,it's who can pull the farthest!



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G-MAN

12-02-2003 07:50:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to 720diesel, 12-01-2003 17:17:47  
No, what you need to do is take a POS Case CC, shave off all the weight you can, bore it and stroke it, turn twice stock RPMs, pull in a 12 mph class (even though you're only going about 3 or 4), and then brag about beating stock JD "B"s. All because you got bored pulling a stock JD "R", and wanted to go "fast". It works for Casepower, so it should work for everyone...



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JD-Tractor

11-30-2003 19:31:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fi in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 19:16:09  
Boys,Boys,boys!!Some of you guys info is a tad inaccurate.What did you guys do?wake up too early from your turkey induced naps.I believe John Deere gets credit for the first self scouring steel plow sold in sufficient enough quantities to make a difference!!!He produced a quantity of plows and then went out and sold them,whereas the other guy or guys built a plow!Imagine this conversation "Hey that's a nifty plow you have there! where can I get one?" "I can build you one and I can have it in two months" I don't think I would have been too interested !!would you?

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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 19:37:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to JD-Tractor, 11-30-2003 19:31:26  
See your making my point for me. Never said he didn't mass produce the plow. Just said he didn't make the first. I don't even consider that a plow improvment or invention.



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JD-Tractor

11-30-2003 19:55:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 19:37:28  
Yeah BUT!!! Deere's worked the best.The problem is anyone could be the first at anything.Didn't you ever see something and the first words out of your mouth was oh $*#% I could have done that it's the same thing except more people knew about deere?



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CASEPOWER

11-30-2003 20:24:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to JD-Tractor, 11-30-2003 19:55:40  
Ok then you win John deere invented the first steel plow and was it gore that invented the internet?? The Grand Detour plow company was also opened in 1837 in Grand Detour were John Deere worked and they stayed in buisness long after deere left and deere didn't start his buisness for years later. I just love the way deere lovers make all these claims that deere done this and deere done that. I think gore is a direct decendant of John Deere himself. I read the plow story in the green Mag about how the birds were chirping and how it was a sunny day and then I read that the first time the plow hit the dirt is broke. HaHa have you ever seen a picture of it?? When did deere have his first patent?? Many years later.

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Mr. Greenjeans

11-30-2003 20:38:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 11-30-2003 20:24:43  
Casefool, why don't you tell the folks where your "facts" came from----a 1937 CASE piece of propaganda, which is no more accurate than some of the accounts about John Deere. And do keep in mind that CASE bought itself into the plow business--and that the lineage of CASE plows from Grand Detour is iffy, at best.



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CASEPOWER

12-01-2003 11:32:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to Mr. Greenjeans, 11-30-2003 20:38:18  
Case bought a plow company but it designed it's own tractor unlike deere. My info comes from grand detour records



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G-MAN

12-01-2003 14:10:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 11:32:42  
So what happened when it came time for Case to develop it's own crawler? How about their skid-steers? "Their" axial-flow combines? Case has bought there way into every bit as much business as ANY other manufacturer. And heck, they even managed to get purchased themselves - three times. Anybody seen my cheese and crackers? They'd go great with this whine that Casepower brought. I can't figure out why someone that hates Deeres would bother posting on here. It's pretty clear that you didn't post anything that we didn't already know. I haven't seen anyone claim that Deere DID invent the steel plow on this board, so what's your point?

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CASEPOWER

12-01-2003 14:25:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to G-MAN, 12-01-2003 14:10:04  
I figured I would liven up the board for you. If I collected combines or skid steers it would matter but seeing how I collect antique tractors I can't care less. And as for being purchaced your company has to be wanted by someone. Deere just aint wanted. Also Case did develope there own crawler in the 1930s before Deere bought there crawler kits. Let me sum it up for you. 1. deere copied a mans plow and called it his own 2. they bought a tractor and called it there own 3. they bought a CASE in 1953 to find out how to build a high horsepower tractor 4. they still control there customers by painting every other companies products green and yellow and making you think they were theres.

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Tyler-MO

12-01-2003 21:56:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 14:25:47  
AGCO HAS OFFERED TO BUY OUT DEERE SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST FEW YEARS....AND EVERY TIME JD SAID NO AND SO DID THEIR STOCKHOLDERS...GOOD LUCK....WOULDN'T THAT BE THE DAY GO TO ONLY ONE DEALER AND CHOOSE THE COLOR..... TO HECK WITH THAT IDEA.....CASE LASTED WHAT 70 OR SO YEARS W/O BEING BOUGHT OUT....

HOW LONG HAS JD BEEN IT'S OWN COMPANY WITHOUT BEING SOLD OUT TO ANOTHER???? THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY COMPETETIVE OR THE STOCKHOLDERS WOULD HAVE LEFT THEM FOR DEAD LONG AGO.....MONEY IS THE ONLY THING THAT TALKS!

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G-MAN

12-02-2003 07:51:56




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Check the financials. Agco couldn't even begin to THINK about buying JD.



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G-MAN

12-01-2003 15:52:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 14:25:47  
You mean like those "Case-IH" sprayers with Deere 4045 engines in them? How about those New Holland, Agco and Caterpillar tractors with Deere trannies in them? Who's painting other people's products in their colors and calling them their own? Better protect your glass house from all those rocks. Oh, I forgot, those things were built after 1960, so you don't care about them. Grow up and wake up. Deere didn't "buy their crawler kits". Lindeman SELECTED JD "B"s for conversion to crawlers. Later, Deere got directly involved, by purchasing the company. You know, kind of like Case did with THEIR crawlers? Why didn't Lindeman pick Cases? Whatever happend to that crawler that Case "developed"? I haven't seen any around... Deere copied somebody else's plow and called it his? Yeah, I'm sure he went around the countryside claiming to have invented the plow. Like he had the time or reason to do so. No, instead he started building a lot of plows, made a lot of money doing so, and ended up founding a company that is still around. You have to be "wanted" to be purchased? No, first you have to have screwed up badly enough to put yourself in a position to NEED to be purchased, as Case did. You run your mouth about how Case built so many threshing machines and steam engines, and we're supposed to be impressed that a company that built such big and expensive machines got buried in sales by one that got started building something as small and cheap as a horse-drawn plow? And you really need to rethink that bologna about the Case LA. You were told by someone that knows FAR more than you do what the reason was for Deere doing that project - to see how much power could be put to the ground by rubber tires. If you doubt that, go ahead and post a list of EVERY feature found on the Case that was found on the New Generations. What's your list like, a steering wheel, seat and tires? Too funny. What color is the sky in your world? Oh, let me guess, it's Flambeau Red. We don't need you to liven up this board. Maybe you should go to the Case board, as this one does several times the business it does. I'll be darned, kind of like Deere has always done more business than Case, isn't it?

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CASEPOWER

12-01-2003 16:09:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to G-MAN, 12-01-2003 15:52:30  
Do you need some crackers for your whine. You whined so long I got bored reading it and never even finished. Lindeman crawlers were and are worthless for anything but hauling them around on a trailer for show. There as big of a joke as a 2 cyl. tractor. Just like your G. You can spend 10K and get 800 cubes and still get beat with a stock cube case. You have never owned a Case so your opinion is worthless. You just keep working on them Yanmar deeres and be sure and keep the book handy. God forbid you try to actually fix something without one.

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plowboy

12-01-2003 16:41:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 16:09:17  
Why don't you take your Case with all of its power and show us how good those chain drives are. That is a great one that Case had. They must have invented that one.



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Rick

12-02-2003 17:12:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to plowboy, 12-01-2003 16:41:48  
John deere had chain drive to on the D and gp, you say chain drive is bad but can you back up what you say. AMerican lafrance kept chain drive on there fire trucks till 1933



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plowboy

12-03-2003 16:18:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to Rick , 12-02-2003 17:12:46  
My point being. I have seen Case tractors flip over. I haven't seen a Deere do that. Yes, the D and GP have chain drives. But they just seem better balanced.

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G-MANd

12-02-2003 20:42:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to Rick , 12-02-2003 17:12:46  
Ever seen a Caterpillar motor grader? They're still chain drive. I think his point was that chain drive went out in farm tractors years ago. The "D" was basically a 30+ year-old design when it finally left production, while Case continued to use chain-drives for a number of years after. Don't get me wrong, the roller chain is THE most efficient means of mechanical power transfer ever developed, but Case stayed with it long after it was out of "vogue".

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johndeere_doc

12-01-2003 16:40:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 16:09:17  
How do you know, nobody here has ever owned a case? have you ever owned a deere? and one more thing i bet a deere when you go to sell it the resale value is so much more than a case. Why is that? Maybe quality, more features, operater comfort?



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CASEPOWER

12-01-2003 16:55:38




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I have owner many many deeres. I have pulled deeres also. G-man has never owned a Case. Didn't say no one here had. You talk resale but that hurts more then it helps. I collect Case tractors I don't sell them. The fact that I can buy them cheaper is a advantage and the fact that your brand is overpriced means that the chances are you don't have as many or the one you want. I do a lot of investing and I can guarantee there are much better things to invest in then antique tractors. And I am talking antique tractor so Deere did not have more quality, more features, operater comfort then any other tractor company out there. If anything with the shakeing they were a lot less comfortable. And don't start with the float ride seat because Floatride was a company that built them for MM first and case had a optional air ride seat in the late 40s.

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johndeere_doc

12-03-2003 16:44:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 16:55:38  
Do you think maybe i was talking something newer than a 2 cylinder?



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G-MAN

12-02-2003 07:54:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 16:55:38  
I haven't owned a Case because I don't want one. I could have five or six of them for the asking, but don't need any JUNK. When are you going to answer my repeated question about where all the Cases are in the NATPA?



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tw

12-01-2003 18:56:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to CASEPOWER, 12-01-2003 16:55:38  
Mr. Casepower, I can't tell you how to drive your Case, but I do have a suggestion, as to where you can park it!



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