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JD equivalent to Farmall 460, 560

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ohioron

12-07-2001 05:13:17




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I'd like to get your ideas on which Deer to buy that is the same HP and age as the Farmalls 460 and 560. They told me on the Farmall site it would probabnly be the 630 and the 730. If that is right did they come with LPTO and 3 pt.? Thanks




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Bill from up north

12-07-2001 19:43:35




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 Re: JD equivalent to Farmall 460, 560 in reply to ohioron, 12-07-2001 05:13:17  
I have a 460D that we used to use a lot. It still has the same clutch and torque clutch in it as when we bought it 30yr. plus ago. If you keep them adjusted properly they'll last a long time. Same goes for the JD's -they're not jumpy if they're tightened evenly. We have a 70 gas at our museum that I use often for planing lumber and pulling things around. It's a good tractor. Steering is a lot nicer than the 460 and you don't have to mount it like a horse!

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Steven M

12-07-2001 18:59:01




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 Re: JD equivalent to Farmall 460, 560 in reply to ohioron, 12-07-2001 05:13:17  

I had a Farmall 460 sold it and got a 620 The 620 is allot more tractor then the 460 was. The 460 weighed 7450 lbs with 4 wheel weights,and the 620 is 8100 lbs with no weights. I also like the 3ph and 6 speed transmission over the 5 speed with the TA



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Phil

12-07-2001 09:51:04




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 Re: JD equivalent to Farmall 460, 560 in reply to ohioron, 12-07-2001 05:13:17  
The choice for me would be the 730 gas (diesel OK as well). The 730's had slightly less HP than the 560, however, the crushing low-end torque curve with the Deere will set the two apart for heavy work. The 730 came standard w/ live PTO & hydraulics and nearly all row crop tractors have the 3 point hitch installed. (It's sometimes dicey whether the original toplink is still attached).

The biggest challenge moving over from the Farmall will be dealing with Deere's hand clutch. The advantage, when adjusted properly, is that feathering is much more precise than the sometimes 'grabby' clutch on TA tractors. The biggest hassle will be backing wagons & there is no substitute for a foot clutch for that job. On the 730's, especially diesels, make certain that the flywheel has not been run loose, as this becomes an expensive fix.

If you're looking for a real improvement, check out a 3010/4010, as they have an incredible hydraulic system and make excellent power. The biggest drawback to these tractors is that usually these were 'workhorses', creating a need to re-bush & re-pin the synchrorange shift selector. When those units are re-bushed, that tractor is almost as effortless to drive at varying speeds as a car. Gas jobs will be cheaper to buy, usually by $2,000 or so. The overall price will be in-line with that of a nice 730....Good luck!!

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Stan - Florida

12-07-2001 06:16:57




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 Re: JD equivalent to Farmall 460, 560 in reply to ohioron, 12-07-2001 05:13:17  
From advertising brochures:

Farmall 460 (gasoline) - 51.63 Belt HP, 47.24 Drawbar HP

John Deere 630 (gasoline) - 48.68 Belt HP, 44.16 Drawbar HP - Live PTO standard and 3 point available

John Deere 730 (gasoline) - 59.12 Belt HP, 54.17 Drawbar HP - Live PTO standard and 3 point available

Farmall 560 (gasoline) - 65.25 Belt HP, 59.47 Drawbar HP

John Deere 830 (diesel) - 75.60 Belt HP, 69.66 Drawbar HP - Live PTO but I don't think 3 point was available on the 830.

My personal opinion is that, other than rumors I've heard about the Farmall Torque Amplifier having problems, go with a 460 or 560. I grew up on Deeres but drove a new 460 for a summer in 1959 and just loved it!

Stan

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Ralph

12-07-2001 08:45:07




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 Re: Re: JD equivalent to Farmall 460, 560 in reply to Stan - Florida, 12-07-2001 06:16:57  
Buy a 460 and it is a decision you will live to regret. My brother bought a 460 on a neighbor's auction, felt sorry for him that the price was so low. The drawbar (strap iron?) was so sloppy that the tractor was useless for backing a wagon through anything less than a 16' door. Front end plowed in any loose dirt requiring regular use of brakes for turning, which meant they were about useless when really needed. Had a Torque-Out which included free-wheeling when headed dow hill, that was a trill the first time I drove it. Tempermental grabby clutch. Also had a Stumble-Bar (seat mounting) on the platform which required a urinating dog mount (throw your leg over the seat when getting on). When I was a student in the late 50's and early 60's there was an active market in bull gears for Farmalls. I later heard the bull gears had a marked tendency to gnaw there way out of the differential case. It did have a snappy engine (gas). After much cussing on my part he sold it and bought a 4020 gas. Any tractor from the 50's is likely to be well worn, but Farmalls did not age well. If I were to use the tractor very much I would try a find a nice 3020. For limited use I would buy a gas rather than a diesel. You can buy a lot of gas for what you will save in the purchase price.

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ohioron

12-07-2001 06:43:24




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 Re: Re: JD equivalent to Farmall 460, 560 in reply to Stan - Florida, 12-07-2001 06:16:57  
Stan-Flordia, thanks for the great summary and thoughts. Ron



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