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JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left

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Scott Bergeron

10-22-2001 07:04:58




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I just bought a Gas 1010 Crawler Loader and it will turn to the right but not the left. I need to know what could be frozen? Also, the serial number is 7635..any ideas on the year? I want to buy a manual, but want to get the right one. Thanks in advance for any help!!




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Steamer

10-22-2001 14:22:36




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 Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Scott Bergeron, 10-22-2001 07:04:58  
Hi,

It probably has an out-of-adjustment steering clutch on the left side. You can get the service manuals from JD still, and that will tell you how to adjust them. The manuals available these days will cover all the serial numbers, since it's been so long since these were made. Oh, and the 1010 series is essentially unchanged from the 420/430 series that preceded it, other than the engine (which is a 4-cyl in the 1010 and a 2-cyl in the 420/430).

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Scott Bergeron

10-23-2001 07:13:44




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 Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Steamer, 10-22-2001 14:22:36  
Steamer, Thanks a ton for the info regarding the Serial #. Any clues on year I may be dealing with?? I was told that about 3 months ago this machine was running and turned both ways, so hopefully something is frozen, but I am not sure where the "frozen" part is. I'll look for manuals and help from the forum..you guys are awesome.
Thanks for helping out the new guy... Scott



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Steamer

10-23-2001 13:53:20




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Scott Bergeron, 10-23-2001 07:13:44  
You really need a set of photos to follow how all this works, but I don't have any suitable for putting in this post. So, I'll have to be descriptive and confuse the heck out of you. You really need to get your hands on a JD service manual for the 1010 crawler and that'll have all of this in there along with great photos of it.

Here's the basics on how it works. There is a pack of dry clutch plates inside the final drive housings. They are actually inside of a drum unit. The drum is, of course steel as is the pressure plate.

In between these two bits are a stack of seven steel discs and seven fiber discs. The steel discs have external ear tabs that hook into slots inside the steel drum. The fiber discs have internal splines, like sprocket teeth. Inside these goes the power shaft from the ring-and-pinion (we can't call it a differential, as crawlers have no spyder gears, but it's the same idea).

With me still? OK. Now you see that the power passes into the fiber discs and is coupled into the steel discs, the drum face and the pressure plate face. the drum unit is attached to the ouput shaft that the track drive sprocket is bolted to.

Also, the circumference of the whole drum unit is wrapped by a brake band. This is what works with the steering lever as well as the master brake pedal to stop the tracks.

Here's what happens when you steer:

You pull back on the lever. That's coupled to the throw-out bearing by a series of rods, bell cranks and a cam-like unit that holds the bearing. The bearing pushes on the levers attached to the pressure plate releasing the spring pressure. That uncouples the fiber discs from the steel ones and essentially puts that track into a free-wheeling (how's that for an oxymoron on a tracked machine?) state. As you continue to pull on the lever, the pressure plate disengages further, but then a rod pulls on the brake band, applying the brake and stopping that track.

Still with me, I hope!

Now, there are some adjustments involved with all this linkage. They are accessed via a pair of what look like 55-gallon bung hole caps - because they *are* bung hole caps. One of these adjustments is a 7/16 (as I recall) hex bolt in a slotted piece. This is the throwout bearing adjustment, and probably the cause of your grief. I know that they like to slip and the result is a track that you can't stop and the machine will only steer to one side.

Of course some other bit in this linkage may have come undone and it's a matter of getting it hooked back up, but I'd guess that the clutch pack adjustment has slipped. Oh, and the brakes aren't strong enough to stop a track if the power isn't uncoupled.

The problem is the adjustment procedure requires several steps, starting with blocking the steering levers in a given distance from the dashboard. I have this procedure for my 420c, but the dash is different on the 1010c and I doubt it works out the same.

I know that the 1010c and the 420c are essentially the same from the transmission through the track frames, but the dash, hood and other tin changed on the 430 and 440 machines and is somewhat different again on the 1010. You really need the JD manual section on the 1010c steering clutch adjustment to get it right.

Not only that, but you need to adjust both sides and also adjust the master brake pedal linkage as well. All this has to be done right or these things will not steer and stop properly.

Oh, and I have no serial number reference for the 1010 series handy. They were built for only a few years, as I recall. The 1010 had to compete with the last of the 2-cyl machines, the 440 Industrial model (built up to '65 or '66). The 1010 was mainly used as a ag machine, but that all ended for sure once the larger JD350 came out.

Hope it helps!

Steamer

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Scott Bergeron

10-24-2001 09:58:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Steamer, 10-23-2001 13:53:20  
Steamer, Thanks again for the excellent information and the entertaining dialogue!! I did follow you and agree pictures are better. I am going to order the Service Manual and then take my turn at attempting to fix the machine. I am sure I will ask for more assistance. :) The good news is atleast I am mechanically inclined..sounds like you have to be pretty good though with these machines. I hope I haved made the right decision in buying this machine..guess time will tell. I can e-mail a pic for grins if you like.
Scott

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Steamer

10-24-2001 14:18:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Scott Bergeron, 10-24-2001 09:58:04  
There is one other thing to keep in mind. Sometimes, the steel discs get a coating of rust on them, especially if the drain hole at the bottom of the final drive housing get plugged up. The rust can bond the fiber and steel discs together and even with the adjustments being correct, the discs can't slip in relation to each other and you wind up with the same symptom - it won't steer.

The only real cure for this is to pull the final drive housing off (means you have to drop the track) and extract the clutch pack. They clean up really easy and it's amazing how such a little amount of rust on the steel discs can cause this to happen.

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Scott Bergeron

10-25-2001 05:17:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Steamer, 10-24-2001 14:18:57  
Steamer, Good to know, hopefully the track can stay in place..looks like a huge undertaking. I plan on draining the oil in the final drive and replcaing it as well as the other fluids, hopfully new stuff will be a good start..I know it's a bit easier. I'll keep you aprised as I continue through the rebuilding. I appreciate the info you have provided..how many years have you been working on these machines?? Do you do this for a living?? Nice to know the knowledge is out there.

Scott

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Steamer

10-31-2001 11:18:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Scott Bergeron, 10-25-2001 05:17:23  
Hi,

Well, if the steering clutches are stuck, you're in for the fun of dropping the tracks, for sure. I'm with you in hoping that the adjustment just slipped.

I grew up in a JD dealership my uncle owned, but half of his brothers (incl dad) worked there as well. Also the whole of my life, dad had a 1956 JD 420c. He passed away in 1995, but the 420c is still in my workshop, right next to a 1950 model M and a 1999 JD 4700.

I not only got to see many a machine pulled to bits in the JD repair shop, but I think dad had had every subassembly in the 420c pulled apart at one time or another.

I know we've had to get into the final drives and steering clutches on several occasions. That's just one of those areas that requires maintenance.

Oh, and if you do have to get in there, you might want to just replace all those fiber discs while you're at it. They're cheap compared to having to pull it all down again in a year or two. If it were me, I'd just rebuild both sides and be done with it (which I did no too long ago on the 420c when I ran out of clutch adjustment on one side).

Later!

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Scott Bergeron

10-31-2001 11:29:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Steamer, 10-31-2001 11:18:31  
Great advice yet again..I hope I don't have to pull it apart, but it is probably something I should do now since I am tearing everything else down to paint and repair. It sounds like parts are still available, so I might as well make it as perfect as possible..since that is the kind of guy I am.

If your looking for a weekend job let me know I would work with you to get it done!! :)

I'll be in touch I am sure.

Scott

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Paul

10-22-2001 17:44:21




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 Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Steamer, 10-22-2001 14:22:36  
Steamer, I'm glad to see you back - I enjoy reading your knowledgable posts about the little crawlers.



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Bill from up north

10-22-2001 21:41:45




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Paul, 10-22-2001 17:44:21  
Could be one of two things - if machine stops when you pull left clutch then right clutch is slipping. If machine keeps going straight even when you apply brake ,then left clutch is stuck together or not releasing for some reason ,re-adjustment. I don't know about your 1010 in particular but I have done some fixing on crawlers



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Scott Bergeron

10-24-2001 10:44:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Bill from up north, 10-22-2001 21:41:45  
Thanks for the info, when I pull back on the left steering lever nothing happens, it has no resistance, so I would agree with you that something is stuck together and not engaging. Steamer gave me so good info as well and I am going to try and break it down and fix it once I can get the manual. You guys have been very helpful!! If you have any other info, I am more than willing to here it. :)

Scott

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Scott Bergeron

10-23-2001 07:09:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Bill from up north, 10-22-2001 21:41:45  
Thanks for the responses. The crawler will continue straight when I pull back on the left steering lever. It turns well when I pull back on the right. I appreciate the info, hopefully someone can give me the down and dirty on adjusting until I can get some books. :)



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J.Nolan

10-23-2001 18:34:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Scott Bergeron, 10-23-2001 07:09:44  
Try pulling both levers back at the same time. The machine should stop. If it does then your problem is a brake that is unhooked or out of adjustment on the side that won,t steer. If it doesn,t stop step on your foot brake. The motor should lug down if your nonsteering clutch is not releasing.



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J.Nolan

10-23-2001 18:32:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Scott Bergeron, 10-23-2001 07:09:44  
Try pulling both levers back at the same time. The machine should stop. If it does then your problem is a brake that is unhooked or out of adjustment on the side that won,t steer. If it doesn,t stop step on your foot brake. The motor should lug down if your nonsteering clutch is not releasing.



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J.Nolan

10-23-2001 18:32:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Scott Bergeron, 10-23-2001 07:09:44  
Try pulling both levers back at the same time. The machine should stop. If it does then your problem is a brake that is unhooked or out of adjustment on the side that won,t steer. If it doesn,t stop step on your foot brake. The motor should lug down if your nonsteering clutch is not releasing.



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J.Nolan

10-23-2001 18:30:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 1010 Crawler Loader will not turn left in reply to Scott Bergeron, 10-23-2001 07:09:44  
Try pulling both levers back at the same time. The machine should stop. If it does then your problem is a brake that is unhooked or out of adjustment on the side that won,t steer. If it doesn,t stop step on your foot brake. The motor should lug down if your nonsteering clutch is not releasing.



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