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Russ

10-14-2001 07:42:16




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Is there a way to disable the rockshaft, tried turning the metering screw all the way in but the rockshaft still works. Wanting to used the remotes for a log splitter (3 point). Will holding the lever in and causing, a guess bypass hurt anything. Or do I just disconnect the 3 point once I start splitting?




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Frank-in-Tallahassee

10-14-2001 19:49:10




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 Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Russ , 10-14-2001 07:42:16  
Russ:

I have a 70 Diesel. On mine, and most of the numbered series, the Pow-R-Trol systems were equipped with remote cylinder breakaway couplings (Aeroquip ?) that eliminated that need to remove the plugs from the Pow-R-Trol to connect the cylinder hoses. This also eliminated the mess and oil loss every time you connected or disconnected the remote cylinder.

To facillitate switching between the rockshaft and cylinder, one of the two rear plugs (that you would have normally had to remove to connect your cylinder hose on an "A" or "B") has a special cap that has a selectable diverter valve inside. I can't remember if it's the top one or the bottom one, and my book is out in the garage, but I'm sure you'll see it...it has a seam were the cap meets the plug body. This "cap" screws off to reveal the valve. After removing the cap, you'll see a knurled knob that is either screwed in all the way to activate the rockshaft, or the remote cylinder, I can't remember which, but to make the opposite action happen, you'd turn the knurled knob out until it's shoulder nearest the tractor is even with the edge of the cap shoulder.

This allows you to switch between either rock shaft or cylinder, but you can't run both at the same time. When you get it switched to the remote cylinder, you'll be able to place the lever in the posion of choice (either forward or back depending how you hooked up your hoses), and operate your splitter. If you have a bypass at the valve of your splitter, you do no harm to the tractor, as the oil will always be circulating. If you don't, you'll want to to return the lever to neutral fairly quickly after the splitter cycles, as excessive by-passing will cause the oil to get fairly hot. Some of the folks on this board suggest that use of non-detergent oil in the power-trol will minimize foaming.

Hope this helps !

Frank-in-Tallahassee

70D // 855

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Russ

10-14-2001 20:03:57




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 Re: Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Frank-in-Tallahassee, 10-14-2001 19:49:10  
I don't have the valve you mention, but I do have a plug with no horizontal hole which seems to be the key to killing the rock shaft. I tried it and it stopped the rock shaft. You have addressed my other concern, about a bypass on the splitter, that I have to check out tommorrow. Thanks to both you and Clooney for getting be on the right path. They have always used this splitter on a 3020 and 4020, which I guess have independent systems. Russ

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Frank-in-Tallahassee

10-15-2001 09:23:14




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 Re: Re: Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Russ, 10-14-2001 20:03:57  
Russ:

Yep, a 3020/4020 had a separate lever for each function...one for the 3 pt. rockshaft, and one or more for each remote cylinder.

I don't want to confuse you, but the valve I'm referring to IS one of those plugs....you just might have to look REAL close to find the half of the knurled cap that screws off. Could be painted shut....that little knob valve is in there.

Reason I think you have one is that on all the early numbered series I've seen that have the outboard cylinder hoses, had that special plug, with the removable cap/selecter valve inside. It's possible that someone had lost the original and replaced it with another/non-selectable plug, but you can get yourself one from a salvage yard, and you'll be much happier.

I went out and got my book. If you have the JD Operator's manual (mine is the diesel manual OMR2032) it is under the section called "Adjustments for Breakaway Coupling and Selector Valve Operation". In my parts book it's called AA5724 R, Valve, Assembly, Selector.

Have you had this tractor long ? If so, you probably know more about it than anyone else will, but if it's relatively new to you, it might be worth taking a second look at things.

You could go to JD and ask to see the illustration of the selector valve assembly. It might make more sense then.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Russ

10-15-2001 13:57:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Frank-in-Tallahassee, 10-15-2001 09:23:14  
I checked them both and do not have the AA5724 but rather the AA4981, I guess I will start looking for one. I have had the tractor for 3 years, brought it in from a relative for R&R repair and repaint. It has had the Taperlock flywheel put on it and is a real good runner. The best part is I get to use it and I did not have to buy it. The gas version is pretty thirsty, but you can buy a lot of gas if the tractor is free.Russ

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Frank-in-Tallahassee

10-15-2001 15:01:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Russ, 10-15-2001 13:57:50  
Russ:

A big 10-4 on that 70 liking it's gas !

When we got this 70D in 1969, it was our first diesel, and as you know, it was one of the thriftiest designs on fuel.

Our record was cultivating 80 acres of corn and beans on one 20gal tank ! That tractor really benefitted from a fuel gauge as you could be lulled to sleep as to when it needed refilled. Our 48 A with high-comp aluminum pistons ALWAYS needed filled at mealtime.

On your selectable plug, good news is that since they're the same on the 50-60-70, they're available all most everywhere.

Good luck !

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Clooney

10-14-2001 08:06:51




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 Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Russ , 10-14-2001 07:42:16  
Russ, if you use the proper external hose adapters ( A-3613R I believe) the rock shaft should be by-passed.



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Russ

10-14-2001 08:15:56




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 Re: Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Clooney, 10-14-2001 08:06:51  
This tractor has external hose connections on the left side, as well as the regular ones in the Power Trol, I thought maybe you had to put dummy plugs in the power trol, (no holes) also wondering if the connections on the left side are add on or standard.



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Clooney

10-14-2001 08:26:36




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 Re: Re: Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Russ, 10-14-2001 08:15:56  
Russ, there is a selector valve (AA-5724R) with a knurled knob on it that goes in the power-trol where the hose connection would normally go & it allows selection of rockshaft or remote hydraulic operation. If you want, let me know & I will scan you a picture.



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Russ

10-14-2001 11:39:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Clooney, 10-14-2001 08:26:36  
I have a picture in my parts book for that item, and it appears that is what is installed in the tractor. I guess mainly what I am wondering will it hurt to tie the lever forward, so I can use the selector on the splitter. When you reach the full up position there is a noise that I suspect is by-passing of the relief valve. Normally you would return the lever to neutral with either the rock shaft or cylinder. The correct connections are on the left hand remote hoses. I also have a selector that came in the tractor with no horizontal holes and has the same fitting as the left hand ones. Hope I have not confused you, but I am used to B's and A's. Russ

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Clooney

10-14-2001 12:05:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 70 Hydraulics in reply to Russ, 10-14-2001 11:39:50  
Russ, I am a little confused on your problem. The rock shaft shouldn't work at the same time as the remotes. If your rockshaft isn't working at the same time & your splitter control valve is an open center you can tie the handle forward. Unless the fluid is allowed to return through an open center it will build pressure & open the by-pass valve which will build heat in the hydraulics & cause a problem.

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