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Kelly

09-17-2001 13:26:56




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I've got a 1938 JD B (Unstyled). I'm trying to get this old tractor back to correct condition and have a few questions:

1. The fuel system was a mess. I've re-conditioned the sediment bowl, had the carburetor professionally rebuilt, and bought a new (reproduction) 3-way valve. I need two fuel lines - one from the small tank to the 3-way valve, and one from the 3-way valve to the carburetor. I'm not above using 1/4" copper tubing, but can't seem to find the correct fittings to make it work. The 3-way valve goes "aft" of the sediment bowl on the old B's and has 5/16" fine male pipe threads. I've seen other tractors with copper tubing and 3-way valves, but didn't take note of what size and type fittings they used to make it work. Can anyone advise me on how to fabricate my own lines or tell me who would have these with the fittings already attached? I've checked with my local John Deere dealer and as always, they're extremely proud of their parts - as is Dennis Polk.

2. Does anyone know who makes reproduction hoods for this B? I've seen a couple of vendors at shows and can't remember their names.

3. I don't think this tractor idles right. The engine has been totally rebuilt, head and valves redone, carb rebuilt, mag rebuilt, manifold re-surfaced and all new gaskets and seals. The compression and power are excellent, starts easily, idles down very low, and it would pull a mountain, but I think it still idles rougher than other tractors I've listened to of the same year and model. Our local John Deere "expert" mechanic swears the timing is dead on and says that some of them just idle this way. I think we're missing something - an adjustment, leak, ...something. (It's kind of like a mother's intuition - you just know when there's something wrong with your baby.) I know it's hard to give advice when you can't hear it yourself, and "Mr. Thinker" would chew me out big-time for even asking, but if there's something else I could try, fix, or adjust to make it idle smoother, I'd appreciate your comments.

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Wayne Swenson

09-18-2001 22:01:01




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 Re: 38 B questions in reply to Kelly, 09-17-2001 13:26:56  
Hey guys!! Since when do we recommend copper for fuel lines?? It work hardens and cracks from engine vibration. Check the Farmall discussion on fuel lines dated 9/17/01 for more advice.



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ET

09-18-2001 09:36:31




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 Re: 38 B questions in reply to Kelly, 09-17-2001 13:26:56  
I just finished a 38 B. I bit the bullet and bought JD lines. They cost a little more but they look right and they are right at eye level so everyone sees them. I got my hood from K&K Antiques for $125 and a nice repo air stack for $35. I had a poor idling problem too. The cure was hotter plugs I use autolite 3077 and a good run on a dynometer to ajust the carb. under load.



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Kelly

09-18-2001 12:10:50




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 Re: Re: 38 B questions in reply to ET, 09-18-2001 09:36:31  
How did you like the fit and finish of the K&K Hood? $125 sounds reasonable. I bought the 3-way fuel valve from them - $70 ouch!



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ET

09-18-2001 12:32:35




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 Re: Re: Re: 38 B questions in reply to Kelly, 09-18-2001 12:10:50  
I got my 3 way valve from them to ouch. I haven't put the hood on yet. Last winter I rebuilt the tractor and painted everything disasembled and put it back togeather with the old hood for now just to get the bugs worked out. This winter I will give the tractor the final paint and do the hood then. I also didn't have the hood until they brought it to the NYS Expo in july. I have never heard anything bad about their sheet metal. Lefaver makes good hoods too I have one of them on a 31 GP that was at the NY expo.

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DP

09-17-2001 21:22:18




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 Re: 38 B questions in reply to Kelly, 09-17-2001 13:26:56  
You didn't say what mag you have Kelly. Also don't know how slow you are idleing. The mag. can also cause it to idle that way. Sort of run like a hit and miss engine. Fine tuning the mag might help. My 38 B idles fine, but I have an old A that does that sometimes. I suppect the mag, but haven't taken the time to play with it yet. Let us know what you figure out. Good luck to you.



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Kelly

09-18-2001 05:09:30




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 Re: Re: 38 B questions in reply to DP, 09-17-2001 21:22:18  
I appreciate you guys responding to my questions. Yes, you hit it right on the head - it idles like a hit and miss engine. It idles and runs this way at all RPM's but is much more noticeable at the lower RPM's. It's got the original Fairbanks Morse mag on it. The mag has been rebuilt - not by a professional. Can you give me some tips on what I can do to "fine tune" it? I believe the carburation, manifold, and all that is OK with no air leaks. From your comments, I'd tend to suspect the magneto.

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DP

09-18-2001 20:28:00




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 Re: Re: Re: 38 B questions in reply to Kelly, 09-18-2001 05:09:30  
Kelly, I usally do a disassembly emery the fields, and armature, and go back with new points, and condenser. If when you roll the mag over while apart, it doesn't have a lot on pull at the magnets, you might need to have the magnets remagnetized. A good way to see if the mag is the problem, would be to put one that works good on another tractor. Also, the timing can be slowed just a little sometimes to help a bit.

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KWB

09-17-2001 18:39:23




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 Re: 38 B questions in reply to Kelly, 09-17-2001 13:26:56  
For the fuel lines, you can unsolder the fittings from any junk JD line you can find, then make up the line with copper tubing. I don't know of any way to get the other fittings except find old ones. For the idle, the better your carb and ignition are, the better off you will be. Many things contribute to poor idle. Be sure there are no air leaks in the intake. Is your manifold good? A poor fit between the throttle plate and carb body can do it. Sometimes the passages in the carb get oversized by aggresive cleaning. I improved the idleing on my 40 B by going to a deep hot plugs, champion W89D's. These stick down into the chamber more and seem to light off a weak mixture a bit more often. They might possibly wear out a bit sooner, but I can live with that. however it still sounds like a B, not a well tuned 50. Good luck.

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lynn

09-17-2001 18:10:52




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 Re: 38 B questions in reply to Kelly, 09-17-2001 13:26:56  
kelly if it has a dltx 10 as when it came they don't handle the idling as well as the later 67 carbs do these were made for gasoline and the idle circuits work better try adjusting the timing to see if it helps and play with carb adjustments and check the fuel level lynn



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JD

09-17-2001 15:09:20




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 Re: 38 B questions in reply to Kelly, 09-17-2001 13:26:56  
Kelly, I can help you with the reproduction hood question. I bought a hood from Robert Lefever in PA (717-548-4131) very good copy of the original.



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