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12 volt conversions for a 50

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Tye

11-26-2003 16:49:46




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Is there any companies out there that make 12 volt conversion kits for a 50?




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Clooney

11-26-2003 17:43:46




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 Re: 12 volt conversions for a 50 in reply to Tye, 11-26-2003 16:49:46  
Tye, not sure what you have in mind but the 50 is already 12 volts from the factory.. If you are talking about installing a 12 volt alternator let us know & we can talk you through the conversion.. We will have to know if it's a gasoline/all-fuel or an LP..

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Tye

11-26-2003 18:26:07




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 Re: Re: 12 volt conversions for a 50 in reply to Clooney , 11-26-2003 17:43:46  
Clooney and JDVan, I am sorry for the last post, my friend was with me when I wrote it and he suggested to me that a 12 volt conversion would already be known to have a alternater. He's a car person, I should've known better. Anyway, the generator on the 50 went out and I was thinking of putting an alternator on it. Where can I find an alternator that would fit it? Also what are the general steps involved in the conversion? My 50 is a gasoline. Thanks Clooney and JDVan Have a great day!

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Clooney (alternator inst)

11-26-2003 19:22:57




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 Re: Re: Re: 12 volt conversions for a 50 in reply to Tye, 11-26-2003 18:26:07  
Tye, the generator on that 50 is a pretty good unit & isn't all that hard to repair..Let me know if you want to trouble shoot & repair it as that will probably be easier than an alternator conversion..

~Now to answer your question on an alternator conversion.. The Delco 10-SI one wire is the easiest to install but the Delco internally regulated 10-SI isn't that much harder to install & in my estimation makes a much better low RPM tractor charging system..

~Below is the basic installation instructions for the Delco 10-SI [from a late 1970's or early 80's GM product].


>>>>>>>How to correctly install a GM [internal regulated] Delco 10-SI alternator on a 2-Cylinder John Deere<<<<<<<<

~The Delco alternator you need will have the regulator terminals running like this [- -]..... ...If the regulator terminals are running like this [.l l.], it is the old externally regulated Delcotron and won't work without an external regulator. The best Delco 10-SI alternators for tractor conversions are the lower output units with a 55 or lower amp output. Due to the high parasitic loads of the higher output Delco alternators at full charge they put a fairly high load on the early tractor's fan shaft drive gears.

(1)-First, the tractor must be, or have been, converted to 12 volt negative ground- [unless a high dollar positive ground alternator is used] ..... Your tractor should already have an internally ballasted 12 volt ignition coil so you should be good to go on that point...

(2)- The wires should be swapped at the ammeter to reflect the new ground polarity [if the ammeter reads backwards when the conversion is done, the wires that are hooked to the ammeter are connected incorrectly and will need to be reversed]. Only one wire should be hooked to the battery side of the ammeter, that should be the wire running to the battery [non grounded side], or to the starter [battery cable stud]. All other electrical loads, including the wire from the alternator rear [BATTERY] stud should be hooked to the [NON] battery post of the ammeter. The exception would be a cigarette lighter, it would hook to the battery side of the ammeter.

(3)-The old generator & regulator should be removed, and [ if so equipped] remove the ignition switch and light switch power feed wire [L] wire that ran to the old regulator [L] terminal. The ignition switch and light switch feed wire(s) should then be hooked directly to the [NON] battery side of the ammeter, the old [L] wire going forward to the old regulator can then be eliminated...

(4)-The alternator should be mounted so the belt is tight and not out of line. If need be, the alternator 4 case securing bolts can be removed and case halves separated slightly [not more than a 1/4" or the internal brushes will fall out], then the rear case [with stator] turned so the regulator terminals are facing out and away from engine interference or exhaust heat.

(5)-A short 14 ga. wire should be made up and run from the big [BATTERY] stud on the back of the alternator to the #2 internal regulator terminal of the alternator. That is a low power battery sensing circuit so it doesn't have to be heavy gauge.

(6)-If the alternator is over 60 amps, a 10 gauge wire should be run from the [BATTERY] stud on the back of the alternator to the [NON] battery side of the ammeter. The old wire that ran from the ammeter to the battery [or from the ammeter to the big starter cable stud on the starter] should be replaced with a 10 gauge wire capable of handling the 60+ amps from the alternator. If the alternator is under 60 amps then the wires used can be 12 gauge.

(7)-If the tractor is distributor equipped, or has an ignition switch that supplies power to the coil/mag terminal instead of ground, a 14 or 16 gauge wire should be run from the coil power terminal on the ignition switch to the #1 terminal of the alternator's internal regulator... An inline 10 ohm [2 watt + ] resistor should be installed [in series] in that wire, [that resistor isn't required for the alternator to actually operate, but is put there to protect the diode trio inside the alternator from damage due to a power surge]. Make sure the resistor isn't taped inside the harness or placed close to anything that will burn as it gets quite hot when the ignition switch is on and the alternator isn't charging [I usually install the resistor at the ignition switch].... While a little over kill, the Radio Shack 10 ohm 10 watt p/n- 271-132 works very good and is under 2 dollars.

(8)- If the system charges, and the engine shuts off promptly when the ignition switch is turned off at high RPM, that's all you need to do... If the engine won't shut down consistently, or wants to run on a little after shutdown, or you just want to make sure it will always shut down correctly, then you can install a 1-2 amp 50 volt diode [in series] in the wire that is run from the ignition switch [coil terminal] to the alternator [#1] terminal. The diode is installed in series and in addition to the added 10 ohm resistor. The diode must be installed with the polarity indicating [stripe, dot, k, +, or cath,,,,, "cathode side"] towards the alternator and the [non] marked [anode] side towards the ignition switch. That diode is placed in the system to keep the alternator form back feeding the ignition coil when the ignition switch is shut off. Not all systems need that back feed protection [depends on the ignition coil] and once the alternator stops charging after shut down there is no additional power flow [from] the alternator #1terminal to the coil terminal on the ignition switch. I always include that diode in any conversion as it is easy and cheap and it won't have to be added later if a shut down problem arises. While again, a little over kill, the Radio Shack p/n 276-1141, 3 amp power rectifying diode will work good and is well under 2 dollars.

(9)- If the tractor has a magneto, or there isn't a functioning ignition switch, a 2 terminal oil pressure switch can be added to the engine oil pressure tap and a 14 or 16 gauge wire run from the big battery stud on the back of the alternator to one terminal of the oil pressure switch, then a 14 or 16 ga. wire run from the other oil pressure switch terminal to the #1 terminal of the internal regulator. Again, a 10 ohm 2 watt resistor should be added [in series] in that wire. A diode isn't required in this circuit due to no ignition coil interface.

~That's about all there is to it...

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JDvan

11-26-2003 17:33:33




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 Re: 12 volt conversions for a 50 in reply to Tye, 11-26-2003 16:49:46  
I'm not sure I understand your question. The 50 came with a 12 volt battery system.



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