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720Deere

11-25-2003 15:26:41




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I have been interested in Trator Shop Magazine, so I checked out their link on Green Magazine's site. There is a link to a sample article which I found to be very interesting.

The article is about the "revolutionary" IHC 560. There is a statement about the 560 being able to "plow over 30 acres a day with a 5 bottom plow". Having spent quite a few hours on both a 560 and 3020 JD, I believe them to be about equal, and our 3020(with M&W turbo kit) always had it's hands full with 4 -14's. Most 4020s don't want much more than 5-14's and they are a good 25 - 30 more hp.

This is not the first time that I have seen tractors "over-rated". Were these ratings just some good old fashioned sales hoopla? Anybody else have any thoughts on this?

I guess maybe this advanced technology that IHC had was the reason they had to give up and merge like the rest of the inferior tractor companies.
LONG LIVE THE DEERE!!!

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John51

11-26-2003 09:33:19




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 Re: Tractor Shop Magazine Article in reply to 720Deere, 11-25-2003 15:26:41  
Do you really feel an IH 560 is the equal of a JD 3020 in terms of work accomplished? How about a 720-730? Even though my 730 will pull (or maybe outpull) the 3020 in a dead drag, I always felt I could accomplish more with the 3020 because of the better steering, improved hydraulics, better selection on transmission speeds, faster shifting, etc. Opinions?



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720Deere

11-26-2003 14:43:14




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 Re: Re: Tractor Shop Magazine Article in reply to John51, 11-26-2003 09:33:19  
720/730 absolutely compares to the 560. In terms of pto work, I think the 560 may have a slight edge, but plowing or other "grunt work" I think they compare out pretty close. The only real advantage that the 560 has is the T/A if it is working properly (seems to be a big if). Also, road gear is much faster on the 560. I used to love to pull wagons on the 5 mile haul with the gas 560. Even though I own a 720d and am very loyal to Deere, I would not hesitate to own a 560 gas(if it had a good t/a).

My dad and myself pull our 720's at a few antique tractor pulls and weighted down to 10500 lbs, neither of us have been beaten by a 3010/3020 or 560 in the last few years. There is however a guy with a IH 400 diesel that is tough to beat. It puts out black smoke like a train and has 18.4 x 38 cut tires. I don't really consider this to be a "stock" tractor.

To make a long story short, I guess the 560 should be compared more to the 3010 as the 3020 was more during the 706 era, but I didn't mean to slight our two-cylinder friends.

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Stan - Florida

11-26-2003 14:52:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor Shop Magazine Article in reply to 720Deere, 11-26-2003 14:43:14  
720Deere,

I agree with you about pulling loaded wagons on the road. Back in '59 the farm I was working for had a couple of brand new 460s. There was nothing more fun than pulling out onto the road with a load of silage in 5th low range, winding up the engine to max, then easing the T/A forward to go to high range. Felt just like an automatic transmission to me - maybe a PowerGlide. The key word here is "easing the T/A forward". I never did like to abuse a transmission or an engine.

Up 'til then the biggest tractor I had run on a regular basis was Dad's '49 JD 'A' - I never told him how much fun that 460 was.

Stan

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MIKE HANLEY

11-26-2003 02:03:36




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 Re: Tractor Shop Magazine Article in reply to 720Deere, 11-25-2003 15:26:41  
This is the year 2003 and a total differant mind set when it comes to plowing. When the IH 560 and JD 730's were new, recomened plowing depth was 6" to 8" It was all in the math. It was with of the cut times depth x 8 lbs (Avg pull)requared per square inch of the plow. Then they took the # pulled from the NEB offical tests at a certain speed and then sold the tractor at that plow rating. by taking the how wide of cut of the implament times the speed in miles per hour. Once the per hour rate is established you just times that per hours to come up with the answer needed. So a tractor pulling 3 16" plow at 4 miles per hour can plow 1.6 acres per hour. Times that by 12 hours you could plow 19. 2 acres per day with a 3 bottom plow. Then you take the 4 foot cut of the 3 16" plow times 6 inch depth and it's 48" times 6" plow (288 SQ IN) times 8 # of pull per square in and you only need 2304# of pull on the drawbar. now you look at the neb tasts and if your tractor has over 2300# of pull at 4 MPH you can sell that tractor as a 3 plow tractor. THAT IS ON PAPER!!!!! ! But it what was done not only by IH, they all did it that way. I know guys today that think they have to plow 12 inchs deep and at 6 MPH and wonder why a 150 horse tractor will not handel a 4 bottom plow. Do the math, And why 12" deep,,,, aren't we leaching polltons into the ground water fast enought????? And sorry guys after 50 your back will tell you to go back to driveing the tractor a 4 MPH TOPS!!!!!

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MIKE HANLEY

11-26-2003 02:31:03




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 Re: Re: Tractor Shop Magazine Article in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 11-26-2003 02:03:36  
Intresting side not here. You cash crop and can spend 12 hours plowing. Now lets put you as the LONE RANGER on a dairy farm. By the time yout chores done you are lucky to hit the field by 9AM and have to quit at 4PM to start chores again. depending on what you did for lunch the same rig that could plow 19,2 acres per day is now only doing about 11 acres per day. SWame way with a corn picker. If you are the LONE RANGER with a 1 row picker and the have to pick a load, unhook, travel 1/2 mile, unload, go back a 1/2 mile hook up everthing. PLUS DO DAIRY CHORES, you are lucky to do 3 acres per day.

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CJDave

11-26-2003 03:26:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor Shop Magazine Article in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 11-26-2003 02:31:03  
Mike, don't forget to add in some time for switching the one good magneto over to the wagon-puller tractor before you can pull the wagon to the bin (crib) (silo) I don't know what they called those mesh things that I see all over the midwest. That story about sharing one good mag between two tractors was really heart-wrenching. Some of us have been just about there.



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Steve - IN

11-25-2003 15:49:37




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 Re: Tractor Shop Magazine Article in reply to 720Deere, 11-25-2003 15:26:41  
720,
Must have been the magic torque amplifier in the 560; at least until it broke.



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720Deere

11-25-2003 16:10:31




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 Re: Re: Tractor Shop Magazine Article in reply to Steve - IN, 11-25-2003 15:49:37  
10-4 on the t/a!! I remember a kid turning the t/a loose on a 450 going down a 1/2 mile long hill with a forage wagon in tow. Once it started to freewheel he dropped the t/a and the tranny exploded. I finished filling silo with the old faithful 620!



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