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Bud

08-02-2001 12:17:11




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How do you hand start a 2 cylinder? Do you just spin the flywheel or is there a handle to insert.Seems like a precarious act at best given that your in a tight position directly in front of the wheel.I would guess that a few folks have been run over through the years? Of course you want to be as sure as you can that the clutch is disengaged ( I had a WC Allis where the clutch stuck ),the transmission is out of gear and you should probably set the brakes also.

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---===] jer [===---

08-02-2001 20:32:18




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 Re: Crank Starting in reply to Bud, 08-02-2001 12:17:11  
Bud, there was a device made - I have bought one at an auction for a dollar. It is exactly like a steering wheel with a short stem sticking out. The stem fits into a hole in the center of the flywheel. Inserted, the steering wheel shaped device is spun as in taking a hard left turn. The hole is cut with a ramp afair which kicks the stem and wheel out as soon as the engine starts. Nice, but pull starting is more common for starting when the battery is dead, just like orange tractors. Hope this helps. ---===] jer [===---

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TP in Central PA

08-02-2001 14:27:31




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 Re: Crank Starting in reply to Bud, 08-02-2001 12:17:11  
I am usually around the red ones but we do have a few deeres around here, I always I prefer to pull the deeres that I have to start by hand- I don't want to run out of energy in the morning before I get to work around the farm!



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Jim Stumpf

08-05-2001 15:20:13




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 Re: Re: Crank Starting in reply to TP in Central PA, 08-02-2001 14:27:31  
Remember, JDs fire on the left and 180 degrees later the right fires(as defined by left and right when setting on the seat) and rolls 540 degrees before left fires again. Among neutral, clutch disengaged, choke etc bring it up on the left cylinder(tell by the hiss on the open compression valve). When near the top of the left compression stroke(you will know as you gain experience) give it a good pull to roll it over the left TDC and if the mag impulse etc is in good condition it should fire and release the flywheel. I am 65 and yes they can wear you out. When I was a youngin one of my pastimes was to try to start it on the right cylinder. As a 10-12 yr old started a 501 CID 'D" which not only had compression release valves, but cups on them for priming with gasoline.(The valves were vertical.) In addition present day gasoline makes hand starting tractors a chore.

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Jim Stumpf

08-05-2001 15:19:58




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 Re: Re: Crank Starting in reply to TP in Central PA, 08-02-2001 14:27:31  
Remember, JDs fire on the left and 180 degrees later the right fires(as defined by left and right when setting on the seat) and rolls 540 degrees before left fires again. Among neutral, clutch disengaged, choke etc bring it up on the left cylinder(tell by the hiss on the open compression valve). When near the top of the left compression stroke(you will know as you gain experience) give it a good pull to roll it over the left TDC and if the mag impulse etc is in good condition it should fire and release the flywheel. I am 65 and yes they can wear you out. When I was a youngin one of my pastimes was to try to start it on the right cylinder. As a 10-12 yr old started a 501 CID 'D" which not only had compression release valves, but cups on them for priming with gasoline.(The valves were vertical.) In addition present day gasoline makes hand starting tractors a chore.

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Lloyd

08-02-2001 13:32:49




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 Re: Crank Starting in reply to Bud, 08-02-2001 12:17:11  
Don't forget to open the compression release valves. If you are out of time, they can kick back with enough force to break your arm.



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Bud

08-02-2001 15:33:42




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 Re: Re: Crank Starting in reply to Lloyd, 08-02-2001 13:32:49  
Lloyd
Do you use a crank to engage the flywheel or do you just grab the flywheel directly? If a crank is there some sort of spring release. On my unstyled WC Allis there is a spring that pushes the crank away from the engine when you release it.
Bud



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Bill {Antique Acres}

08-02-2001 19:56:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Crank Starting in reply to Bud, 08-02-2001 15:33:42  
Bud, the answer to your question is YES! The most common way and in my opinion the easiest is to grab the flywheel and throw it over. They also made a adapter that bolts on the center of the flywheel over the end of the crank and it allows a hand crank to be inserted and used. I think that is a easier way to get hurt on a Deere. If you tractor is in good running condition and tuned properly, with a strong mag it should start very easy. Here's what you do in a round about way. Open the compression relief's. Open the throtlle a 1/3 of the way. Close the choke. Turn the flywheel around until you get on the compression stroke and roll it over. If it doesn't start after 2 cranks take the choke off as Deere's are easy to flood. Then repeat until it starts. You will see people that bend way back and grab the flywheel and about fall over when the throw it over. All they are doing is wearing themselves out and setting theirself up for injury. All you have to do is just get the flywheel rolled over through the compression stroke. That is what the impulse in the mag is for. It is designed to speed the mag up during slow hand cranking so the tractor will start easier. Hope this all helps. Bill {Antique Acres}

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Bud

08-03-2001 05:01:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Crank Starting in reply to Bill {Antique Acres}, 08-02-2001 19:56:33  
Bill
Thanks-an excellent explanation.
Bud



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