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2030 Diesel Engine knock, how to diagnose?

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nord

06-13-2001 12:16:23




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Hi Folks,

I have a rebuild on my 1976 JD 2030 Diesel, about 20 hours on it. This was done by the shop I bought it from - the first motor had a head gasket leak and turned the oil milky after about 4-5 hours of use.

Now, with the rebuild, it seems to have a knock. I have checked the valves, not them. I cannot find an exhaust leak that would cause the noise. It increases in intensity as the oil warms up. You cannot hear it at idle and low RPMS, but as you hit mid and high RPMS it starts making a racket.

My question is this, how do I make sure it is a rod knock? Could it be injection pump timing retarded too far causing the noise? Can I tell by pulling the oil pan and retorquing the rods? Or do I have to pull the head/etc. to check for play.

Thanks for any direction folks.

Jon.

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Mickey

06-13-2001 18:28:03




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 Re: 2030 Diesel Engine knock, how to diagnose? in reply to nord, 06-13-2001 12:16:23  
If they didn't replace the sleeves and just re-rang it, it may be ring groove noise. The new rings will strike the old groove and make noise. Sometimes you can isolate a cylinder on a diesel by cracking a injector line and see if the noise stops. If it does, it may be a loose rod bushing, or rod bearing. Sometimes it will help you tell which cylinder is making the noise.



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don

06-13-2001 15:10:28




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 Re: 2030 Diesel Engine knock, how to diagnose? in reply to nord, 06-13-2001 12:16:23  
Sounds like the pin bushings to me . If they didnt replace them and with new pistons and sleeves they will rap as the oil heats up. Just a thought. Don



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LazyHorse

06-13-2001 13:23:49




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 Re: 2030 Diesel Engine knock, how to diagnose? in reply to nord, 06-13-2001 12:16:23  
If you only have 20 hours on a rebuild my inclination would be to take it back to the shop that performed the rebuild and see if they stand behind their work. If not I would sure spread the word. Just my 02 cents.



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nord

06-13-2001 15:14:02




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 Re: Re: 2030 Diesel Engine knock, how to diagnose? in reply to LazyHorse, 06-13-2001 13:23:49  
Yep, agreed. However, I have lost a lot of faith in the ability of these folks to get the job done. They have tried, I will give them that, but the last two times they have had my tractor it has been gone for months at a time. I may call and see about a loaner - that way they can keep mine and fix it as long as they like.

I'm at the point literally where the pain and money endured for learning and fixing myself sounds better than getting it back down to them and asking them to fix it. Long story, but unless they can give a loaner, I believe it would be fall when I saw it again.

jon

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ErnieD

06-14-2001 16:30:45




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 Re: Re: Re: 2030 Diesel Engine knock, how to diagnose? in reply to nord, 06-13-2001 15:14:02  
Call the shop and ask what course of action they recommend.

My bet is a bad journal.

Running too long with a knock will wipe out a journal or break the crank.

Drop the pan and see if you find any bearing metal. Plastigage the clearance.



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