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Ken C.

11-18-2003 20:20:20




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This is on a 60 JD, should i be able to hear a little rattle, or clicking sound when at slow idle under the valve cover. I thought i had the right clearence on the rockers, but i still hear a little noise at slow rpm. Any help is appreciated, Ken.




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Bob K

11-19-2003 07:25:45




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 Re: rocker rattle in reply to Ken C., 11-18-2003 20:20:20  
My 50 clatters and knocks under the valve cover and everything is adjusted correctly. Like Clooney and John T have noted, if you CAN'T hear anything, it's more of a problem. That's just the noise an otherwise quiet-idling two-cylinder JD engine makes. We're just not used to hearing the sounds of these older valve trains compared to the newer engines with hydraulic lifters and no valve train lash.

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John T

11-19-2003 07:03:09




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 Re: rocker rattle in reply to Ken C., 11-18-2003 20:20:20  
Ken, its always been my thinking that if you can hear a slight click clack at idle the valves are not too tight and probably wont burn. HOWEVER if you dont hear anything at all, they could bee too tight. Therefore, to answer your question, I think its okay as you asked to hear a little click clack at idle.

Even though it happens that shaft and rocker wear makes it such that you cant properly adjust the valves usng a feeler gauge, you still wanna have them somewhere near the spec, but once thats done dont worry about a slight clatter and BE CAREFUL not to set them so tight they dont clatter, cuz then they may burn out.

The only way I got many to be what I consider was close to ideal, was to take the assembly to our local machine shop for rebuild, but that gets fairly expensive.

Do the best adjustment you can under the worn conditions and live with a litle clatter is what I would do for the short run at least. If you ever wanan go through the whole engine etc., then consider rebuliding the assembly.

Good Luck n God Bless ya Ken

John T

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Clooney

11-19-2003 03:08:26




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 Re: rocker rattle in reply to Ken C., 11-18-2003 20:20:20  
Ken, you ask?..."should I be able to hear a little rattle, or clicking sound when at slow idle, under the valve cover"....To answer your question, YES...

~If you can't hear those valves there is a chance they�re too tight & burning..

~Now if you have one that's louder than the others that is something else...

~Cole pretty well explained the problems with older worn valve train parts..

~While you could just have normal MECHANICAL LIFTER valve noise you could also have a wear problem [normal on the old Deere�s]..

~Probably the place to start is to do your valve adjustment the old fashioned way� That is to bring the valve being adjusted to a closed position & the piston on that cylinder to TDC,, then loosen the valve adjusting nut & turn the adjusting screw until there is �O� lash [the push rod just lightly tightens up with �O� end play],,, then back the adjuster out 2 nut flats [or 1/3 turn]� That will leave the valve set about perfectly even if there is uneven wear on the rocker tips or other valve train parts..

~If you still have a loud valve even after the above adjustment, then look for a worn cam or other excess valve train component wear� Usually the above adjustment is all it takes to at least get an even sounding valve train�

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cole in mo.

11-19-2003 02:01:28




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 Re: rocker rattle in reply to Ken C., 11-18-2003 20:20:20  
your rocker arms may have gotten dished over the years, and when adjusting the valves using a flat feelers gauge you may be getting 27-28 thou. instead of 020. also the rockers or the shaft they are on may be worn, either one would cause the ticking sound you hear at low rpm. remove the rocker assembly and inspect for dished valve contact areas or play on the shaft.



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Ken C.

11-19-2003 14:41:29




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 Re: Re: rocker rattle in reply to cole in mo. , 11-19-2003 02:01:28  
Thanks for all the info, i will check those clearences again to be sure. They all sound about the same. Probably the wear you were talking about. Those two cylinders would really be quiet if they had the new style lifters in them.Thanks again Ken.



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